.3 Second Positional Update Delay (Requesting Dev Response)

**DeceptionsWrath** · 11-03-2013 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Sixmp

SE have commented on this. I offered other solutions to lag problems. As chances of every single person with lag all having the exact same problem is very low. I guess you are either too stubborn or irritated to take a look at your own stuff in the chance it might fix your problem when you can sit with you arms folded throwing a strop and holding your breath.

So i'm ignorant now lol? Okie little one. Whatever you say. You accuse others of starting arguments, and yet you come into this thread and totally try to derail it? My stuff HAS been tested mister know everything. And infact everything i have is designed just for online gaming. And judging by the fact that i have no issues with any other game i play online, just this one, kinda makes me think this is a fault with SE. But i guess since you're here to say it's our stuff, we should take your word for it, because we're ignorant and you're not.

**Tupsi** · 11-03-2013 06:34 AM

Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

So i'm ignorant now lol? Okie little one. Whatever you say. You accuse others of starting arguments, and yet you come into this thread and totally try to derail it? My stuff HAS been tested mister know everything. And infact everything i have is designed just for online gaming.

Does all of the games you play online handle its data as P2P on official servers? Streams are always P2P to some extent but XIV's is pretty much like you're running a torrent progam.

**DeceptionsWrath** · 11-03-2013 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Does all of the games you play online handle its data as P2P on official servers? Streams are always P2P to some extent but XIV's is pretty much like you're running a torrent progam.

I'm really not sure Tupsi. The games i have played are FFXI, DCUO, Defiance and FFXIV. I'm not sure who handles their data as a P2P. To be honest i wasn't even sure there was a difference haha.

**whilke** · 11-03-2013 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tupsi

Does all of the games you play online handle its data as P2P on official servers? Streams are always P2P to some extent but XIV's is pretty much like you're running a torrent progam.

This games protocol and implementation is nothing like bittorrent or other Peer To Peer systems. In FFXIV your client will maintain two connections to your world server, that's it. In a peer to peer system your client (a peer) will connect directly to other peers (other clients). This is a client to server system.

It is possible that the FFXIV protocol has some signature that is causing a false positive with another P2P protocol. Of course, that would have been easy to fix on SEs side if it were the case.

**Sixmp** · 11-03-2013 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by whilke

This games protocol and implementation is nothing like bittorrent or other Peer To Peer systems. In FFXIV your client will maintain two connections to your world server, that's it. In a peer to peer system your client (a peer) will connect directly to other peers (other clients). This is a client to server system.

It is possible that the FFXIV protocol has some signature that is causing a false positive with another P2P protocol. Of course, that would have been easy to fix on SEs side if it were the case.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling SE are investigating such a thing.

**Allyra** · 11-03-2013 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Sixmp

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling SE are investigating such a thing.

I think most are frustrated as that post is two months old and we haven't heard anything/seen anything improved.

**Allyra** · 11-03-2013 08:04 AM

Do you realize that this:

Originally Posted by Sixmp

1 hop on route to a server could cause a problem in 1 game leaving all others fine.
1 game being treated as P2P while all others are not could cause problems in one game leaving all others fine.

Negates all of this:

Originally Posted by Sixmp

Have you guys tried turning your game graphics down as low as it can go for instance?

Just because lots of people lag doesn't mean you are all suffering from the same cause.
How about moving cordless phones away from routers?
Not using wireless?

I think those that have controllable errors are in the extreme minority. At this point, your statement has been suggested a million times by a million people. We have tried all we could, it didn't make a difference.
SE could also be working with the hop centers just as much as us, and probably would have a lot more influence about it than us. People need to stop thinking isp issue= SE doesn't have to do anything.

**Sixmp** · 11-03-2013 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Allyra

Do you realize that this:

Negates all of this:

I think those that have controllable errors are in the extreme minority. At this point, your statement has been suggested a million times by a million people. We have tried all we could, it didn't make a difference.
SE could also be working with the hop centers just as much as us, and probably would have a lot more influence about it than us. People need to stop thinking isp issue= SE doesn't have to do anything.

I was asked for examples. I gave them.

I guess i learned one thing. Next time i see a problem, instead of helping i will just walk on by.

Maybe if the thread was setup in such a way as to educate people to use the correct terminology you wouldn't have to act like asshats towards people.

**Sixmp** · 11-03-2013 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

So i'm ignorant now lol? Okie little one. Whatever you say. You accuse others of starting arguments, and yet you come into this thread and totally try to derail it? My stuff HAS been tested mister know everything. And infact everything i have is designed just for online gaming. And judging by the fact that i have no issues with any other game i play online, just this one, kinda makes me think this is a fault with SE. But i guess since you're here to say it's our stuff, we should take your word for it, because we're ignorant and you're not.

I came into the thread offering suggestions. You threw a fit over a few words i typed. I pointed that out. You have been nothing but hostile towards me. There was nothing hostile in my original post, i just offered help as i am sure not everyone who is suffering from lag is just suffering because of the .3 delay built into the game. I offered suggestions on other causes. I mean wouldn't it be nice if you could fix your problem? I guess you would rather just scream and shout at people who are trying to be helpful.

As Tupsi pointed out some ISP's are treating FFXIV as a P2P and throttling it. Which means massive lag. Which is also another thing it could be.

If you look back you will see i offered help. I then got a mouthful off 2-3 people and here we are. I never stated i knew everything. I just offered things that might be overlooked. If you are 100% sure that all your equipment and ISP are 100% fine then fair enough. It is no reason to stomp on someone who basically tried to be helpful.

Also please tell me how your stuff was tested. Also what brand etc it all is as i am very interested in this specially designed equipment you have for online gaming.

**Dliver** · 11-03-2013 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Sixmp

If you look back you will see i offered help. I then got a mouthful off 2-3 people and here we are. I never stated i knew everything. I just offered things that might be overlooked. If you are 100% sure that all your equipment and ISP are 100% fine then fair enough. It is no reason to stomp on someone who basically tried to be helpful.

You sound pretty hostile to me.

People complaining about the lag issues aren't riding their first rodeo. We've played other online games without this lag. I've played other new MMOs that suffered from problems like this.

Denialism is not helping the game. I sincerely hope Square doesn't dismiss their netcode, animation delays, graphics engine, whatever problems as merely random complaints. It's borderline game-breaking given the mechanics they've programmed in.

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