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  1. #41
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    Lucipurr's Avatar
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    Estrella Light
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 50
    Striking is for Monk and Maiming is for DRG. So far I encountered 2 maimings and I wasn't able to Need it. It's also impossible to get it if you have a GREEDy group like mines.
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  2. #42
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    Sterob's Avatar
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    Pomf Pomf
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by BolterAura View Post
    Caduceus: Yeah this one isn't too much work, though I put it on myself to proc tail swipes as much as I can to save an auto-attack or 2 from hitting tank. BRDs have the slime to do but that's not too bad either.
    Turn 2: Dodging AoEs, Ballast, transitioning from side to back as ADS swaps from tanks, making sure I time it right to not get cleaved. Timing jumps to maximize damage/not die. Choosing a good time to limit break. Acting as salvage Rot-bearer. Yes, BRD needs to silence and side step for rot every now and then. Not saying this is EASIER but melee have plenty to do too.
    Turn 4: No silence, brds have no worries when dealing with knights/soldiers where DRG needs to position to not eat every spin AoE.

    So yes, maybe my role doesn't = total party wipe if I mess up, but if I don't put work into moving and timing things exactly on key, I put out shitty dps.
    Turn 1, Proc-ing tail swipe involves moving forward then backward in 3s and i believe you can dps while moving as long as you are in melee range.
    Turn 2, whether ads has ballast or not is entirely your group choice. As long as your tank stand 90 degree apart no cleave can hit you. Ranger (BRD,SMN, BLM) will deliver rot to you and take it away. Not mention range dps have to take rot from healer (as healer cant move) and deliver it to the next person in line.
    Turn 4 = DPS race, range or melee do only 1 job. If you have to care about spin aoe then either you or your healer are very undergeared


    Quote Originally Posted by Almalexia View Post
    And neither MNK nor DRG need VIT, INT, DEX or MND accessory.

    By your logic, the odds are stacked against melee jobs.
    Are you acting like stupid to derail this thread or just really are? If str accessory drop, brd, caster and heal dont need them which mean it will go to melee dps. And there is 2 kinds of +str accessory instead of 1 for other class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aureliami View Post
    2 tanks compete for loot
    2 melee DPS compete for loot
    2 caster DPS compete for loot
    2 healers compete for loot
    1 ranged physical DPS takes all the loot for themselves

    OMG NERF BARD LOOT
    2 tank + 2 melee + 2 caster + 2 healer + 1 ranged = 9
    hmm so in a party there are 9 members.

    Follow your logic in tam tara
    1 tank no need compete for anything
    2 dps compete for DoW gear
    1 healer no need compete for anything

    ZOMG NERF TANK AND HEALER.
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  3. #43
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    Evened_Odds's Avatar
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    Autumn Leaves
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    Odin
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Now dear, let me just sit you down. Are you comfotable? Good. Are there only Melee DPS and archers at the moment? No, silly. What if we have an ACN and a THM as well as a CNJ in our party? 3 competing for loot. Awh, bless *pinches cheeks*

    OMG NERF ALL DISCIPLES OF MAGIC HERPADERPA
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    Last edited by Evened_Odds; 10-27-2013 at 03:28 AM.

  4. #44
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    Nemiros Elvenao
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 50
    I would say that OP is just a butthurt bard throwing a tantrum about the nerf; then I realized a bard is complaining about how Melee have it easy on loot, and then about how its much harder to be a bard than melee in the boss fights.
    Good job OP, funniest thread ive read in the forums, even made me log on. Id upvote you if this was reddit.
    lol
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  5. #45
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    AccountBanned's Avatar
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    Speg Tackular
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    Leviathan
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    enemy mechanics? what mechanics? AoE that hit both range and melee? Your only job is stand still at boss side, dps and move around the boss when aoe come.
    LoL..and what's your only job? To stand far away and get auto attacks in at the same time you're dodging...maybe click one button when a healer is spamming MP SONG MP SONG! I could sit here and tell you how much more difficult it is in the life of a melee, but I'll let you think you've got some hard-to-play class.

    Oh, by the way...we could potentially use maiming or striking but pretty sure that we can only need on one.

    You act like the sky is falling....you should pop outside of your mom's home real quick and see that it's still up there and still not falling.
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  6. #46
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Nemiros View Post
    I would say that OP is just a butthurt bard throwing a tantrum about the nerf; then I realized a bard is complaining about how Melee have it easy on loot, and then about how its much harder to be a bard than melee in the boss fights.
    Good job OP, funniest thread ive read in the forums, even made me log on. Id upvote you if this was reddit.
    lol
    oh so when you DRG cried about BRD because you got tunnel vision and can dodge aoe that hit both melee and range instead of L2P, it is a reasonable feedback, bit when i point our that you have double the chance of acquiring ilv 90 gear it is something wrong?

    Oh, by the way...we could potentially use maiming or striking but pretty sure that we can only need on one.
    and yes because caster, healer, brd gonna roll greed on that so they can wear new + str accessory.
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  7. #47
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    Nemiros Elvenao
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    Leviathan
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Sterob View Post
    oh so when you DRG cried about BRD because you got tunnel vision and can dodge aoe that hit both melee and range instead of L2P, it is a reasonable feedback, bit when i point our that you have double the chance of acquiring ilv 90 gear it is something wrong?

    and yes because caster, healer, brd gonna roll greed on that so they can wear new + str accessory.
    Rofl you just checked my post history from when i wasnt even 50. I just didnt want to keep arguing about melee and ranged. Right now the melee vs ranged difficulty is so evident I wont argue either, just sit back and enjoy this one develop too. Also, while were at it, you should add that bards have to avoid every AOE even melee ranged the boss does because of repelling shot. Ever tried to repel shot on Repelling cannons? bard > melee, they have to play melee AND ranged.
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  8. #48
    Player Lithera's Avatar
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    Randolont Althoreaux
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    Midgardsormr
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Just an FYI...this is top end gear...EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE in the pt is going to GREED EVERYTHING! The exception is if you run with a static in which case you're going to likely have loot tables for handling repeat gear and gear for classes not in your party at the time that have to be Greeded. Can the DRG use the Striking accessories? Yes. Will they always want to? No, because you have to weigh the +STR against the rest of the stats. I don't care about gaining 3 STR if I have to swap say Crit Rate for Skill Speed... There's far more to this game than primary stats. Also said DRG can only Greed on that Striking accessory so in a PUG they'll compete against the entire pt's Greed rolls if there is no MNK. In a static, despite the fact they can wear it immediately, they may not get to roll on it because the static WHM has MNK50 as well and therefore gets priority. BRD DEX gear...is probably the ONLY gear that the entire pt won't roll on just for the sake of rolling on it, so even someone with BRD secondary job could probably get their gear faster than a melee DPS main...
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  9. #49
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    Pomf Pomf
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 50
    in a PUG they'll compete against the entire pt's Greed rolls if there is no MN
    BRD DEX gear...is probably the ONLY gear that the entire pt won't roll
    i sense contradictory
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  10. #50
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    Frizz Dragonflight
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    Tonberry
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    Archer Lv 66
    Try playing a MDPS in coil, then come back and shit talk. Otherwise, this whole argument/debate will always be on your favour lol.
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