Regarding Endgame DF and Tank Design

[Keneblerz]

Make Paladins heal, then. Or else you'll still have the same problem if you get a group with two Paladins.
Using Sword Oath to attack as Paladin doesn't work, as you'll steal aggro from the main tank.

This is only true if:

1. The main tanks weapon is worse than the Off tank.
2. The tank hasnt started his rotation.

To give you an idea. I fought garuda (HM) as an Off tank Paladin. If i go balls to wall with Sword Oath. I'll grab aggro almost immediately. If i wait for the MT's 2nd or 3rd rotation. i dont put a single dent into the target's emnity. It stays blue for the rest of the fight. Unless i use provoke like a noob :P

Edit: The above will happen for PLD + WAR combinations as well.

[juniglee]

I find Sword Oath to not be that great of a skill. In fact, the effects of it are quite insignificant (+50 to auto-attack potency, in a class where damage is low to begin with), that it's really no different than running without an Oath skill turned on.

Shield Oath however is pretty significant. The 20% damage reduction, and 20% damage dealt reduction is quite noticeable, but it's able to keep up a job of generating aggro (maybe a bit more) than with Sword Oath.

As I understand it, Warriors have Defiance - so it would really be the same as turning it off, to not get the 20% damage dealt reduction penalty.

One of the Warriors I do Titan HM with regularly equips DPS gear (ie. Hetairos Gear) just for Titan HM. Warriors will also be buffed as of 2.1, when Crystal Tower would also be released, so it might be better to wait until then and see whether the changes impact the presence of Warriors in parties.

[Yagrush]

I find Sword Oath to not be that great of a skill. In fact, the effects of it are quite insignificant (+50 to auto-attack potency, in a class where damage is low to begin with), that it's really no different than running without an Oath skill turned on.

Shield Oath however is pretty significant. The 20% damage reduction, and 20% damage dealt reduction is quite noticeable, but it's able to keep up a job of generating aggro (maybe a bit more) than with Sword Oath.

As I understand it, Warriors have Defiance - so it would really be the same as turning it off, to not get the 20% damage dealt reduction penalty.

One of the Warriors I do Titan HM with regularly equips DPS gear (ie. Hetairos Gear) just for Titan HM. Warriors will also be buffed as of 2.1, when Crystal Tower would also be released, so it might be better to wait until then and see whether the changes impact the presence of Warriors in parties.

Yeah, Sword Oath isn't that significant, but, then again, if people have to choose between a Paladin or a Warrior to MT, unless it's something specific like Ifrit, they will choose Paladin right now.

Also, Warriors having to gear up with DPS gear to do Titan HM is.. not acceptable. Either SE should be more diligent with dungeon design in the future and justify 2 tanks in every encounter, or increase their non-tank dps to avoid the "I can't really clear this encounter with two tanks" (Assuming none of the players are overgeared and are on the intended gear level of clearing said content).

[ErikMynhier]

I find Sword Oath to not be that great of a skill. In fact, the effects of it are quite insignificant (+50 to auto-attack potency, in a class where damage is low to begin with), that it's really no different than running without an Oath skill turned on.

He's right, Sword Oath is only good for overworld solo content. I was screamed at in a dungeon once just for hitting it accidentally because its right next to Shield Oath on my bar.

[Garnatian]

They should remove Sword Oath, not give WAR a DPS stance. I'm not even sure what their intention was with adding it.

[FlowerPower]

I easily pull over 300 DPS on my warrior... maybe your warriors are doing it wrong?

[Gapik]

I easily pull over 300 DPS on my warrior... maybe your warriors are doing it wrong?

Well dont keep it to yourself!

I and many other WAR no doubt would benefit from your wisdom...Instead of grps shouting PLD only we could bask in the joy of ppl shouting WAR only BRD/MNK/BLK need not apply!

[Gamemako]

Well dont keep it to yourself!

I and many other WAR no doubt would benefit from your wisdom...Instead of grps shouting PLD only we could bask in the joy of ppl shouting WAR only BRD/MNK/BLK need not apply!

He's probably claiming that for peak DPS using Unchained/Berserk/Release cycle. That's a feasible peak DPS number with a relic+1 and 430 strength or so.

[Gapik]

He's probably claiming that for peak DPS using Unchained/Berserk/Release cycle. That's a feasible peak DPS number with a relic+1 and 430 strength or so.

Sounds about right but this is the exception and not the norm!

I will gather 2 sets of gear for DPS purposes.

I will change my stat point repeatedley from vit/str and str/vit tho each costs 10.000 seals (hate fate).

but in the long run im still a 2nd tier DPS...Who is also gimped one way or the other.

If it hits the fan and im in dps mode im unlikely to recover it as a 2nd tank.....in tank mode I cant contribute as a dps.

no other class makes this choice.

I would much rather just be the tank I should be! and leave my DPS to my DPS jobs.

[Amyas]

I would much rather just be the tank I should be! and leave my DPS to my DPS jobs.

Why? I like being able to solo down Demon Wall from over an inch of health when everyone else is dead/knocked off :3