"A system that rewards effort and innovation" can't be buzzwords for imbalance-get

[Issachar]

There are certain FFXI players in the crowd here who have never won a single fight, because all they've ever known was to flock to imbalance to get AROUND a difficulty. And they like it that way because they only play the jobs that get them included in these fail "strategies."

Oooooh, yoi're one of those tryhards that think there's only one way to skin a cat when it comes to BCNMs and story missions right? You remind me of this guy who would not run the Airship fight unless people followed his strategy to perfection. Last I remember, he never got past that fight.

Also, I notice you only have somewhat decent ranks into something that isn't curespam, from what your signature tells me...and most of your ranks into non-combat jobs. How can we take this know-it-all persona you have when you haven't even been around the block on DoW jobs?

In short, stop trying to act like you know everything.

Oh and one last thing to wrap your head around (if you can): Not all Archers are noobs. Some of us levelled it for it's abilities, not it's ease of use. And a CON dissing a THM is nothing more than trivial japery. Just because you ranked CON up to 50 before finding out THM was a better class outside of healing (which is about the most mindless thing you can do in 14) doesnt mean THM sucks

[Rinsui]

Like I said, there will be no lack of people who want their imbalance-gets to stay how they always have. They'll balk at the concept of true class balance, because that would defeat the reason they play certain jobs, which is the high golf handicap they afford certain players who wouldn't be anything noteworthy otherwise.

No.
In FFXI, I was a MNK (my only LV 75 job).
Arguably the melee-est of all melee classes.
Stop talking as if your whining would represent the majority of melee class players. And...

Like I said: In all likelihood, people not inviting you to their parties never was about your job, but about your attitude.

[Warlyx]

all jobs need to bring something to the table......is hard yup but ....give all jobs "something" not must , but nice to have

example ,

Lancer Hp drain......

with jobs coming , u will probably have a lancer class that boost this "debuffs"

U can bring MRD for aoe massive dmg

Archer for burst

Pug for the best dot ...

w/e :P

i leveled a pup ......and leveled a sam pre-buff toau...(when rngs were kings! Arrorburns.... <<).....and leveled a pup...and pup are actually awesome but ppl only see WS dmg .....my pet is tossing Blizzards IV left and right for over 1500....w/o enmity problems.......and ppl only cared about my string pummel...........bleh :P

[Peregrine]

Oooooh, yoi're one of those tryhards that think there's only one way to skin a cat when it comes to BCNMs and story missions right? You remind me of this guy who would not run the Airship fight unless people followed his strategy to perfection. Last I remember, he never got past that fight.

Also, I notice you only have somewhat decent ranks into something that isn't curespam, from what your signature tells me...and most of your ranks into non-combat jobs. How can we take this know-it-all persona you have when you haven't even been around the block on DoW jobs?

In short, stop trying to act like you know everything.

Oh and one last thing to wrap your head around (if you can): Not all Archers are noobs. Some of us levelled it for it's abilities, not it's ease of use. And a CON dissing a THM is nothing more than trivial japery. Just because you ranked CON up to 50 before finding out THM was a better class outside of healing (which is about the most mindless thing you can do in 14) doesnt mean THM sucks

I'm already a more experience meleer than you'll ever be, it was all I did in XI. You're probably one of those players who thinks they deserve an I'm Special badge for thinking up archer archer archer archer archer archer thaumaturge.

How innovative you all are. And my, how experienced with these Fischer Price meleers in this game.

Clearly being a R50 meleer means nothing in this game as far as your intelligence, proficiency, or experience with meleeing goes, although I'm sure the sophomores would like to think it does.

[Peregrine]

No.
In FFXI, I was a MNK (my only LV 75 job).
Arguably the melee-est of all melee classes.
Stop talking as if your whining would represent the majority of melee class players. And...

Like I said: In all likelihood, people not inviting you to their parties never was about your job, but about your attitude.

If you only levelled one meleer in XI, I'm a more experienced meleer than you are.

People sought out my thief in spite of the job's shortcomings. That's the kind of player I was.
Then I levelled warrior, which probably made your monk look Gregorian, not Shaolin.

What I will not do, is play Uncle Tom meleer to mages and rangers like so many meleers did back then. Yessa massa blm.

I'm the guy who got blms and rangers nerfed. And I'll do it again.
Stand up straight, meleer. You look ridiculous.

"A system that rewards effort and innovation" can't be buzzwords for imbalance-get. I know we have a lot of archers and mages in the crowd who had hopes and dreams of being the first class citizens of the game again, and that people see through their charade makes them incredibly angry that they won't get to milk XIV like they milked XI as a red mage.

So sorry. You think you deserve credit for developing chickenwuss tactics that abuse the same jobs over and over, and you just...don't. That's not smart. That's not innovative. Your bar's down there. The real bar's up here. What you consider smart is trite.

Kiting...pathetic. I don't know what's more sad, that the population cops out and depends on it instead of manning up and stepping up...or that they brag about it on the internet as smart and innovative with their rangers and mages, as if it's something to be proud of.

I for one am tired of players like that, and systems that tolerate players like that. Those who run instead of fight, like some sidekick foil cliché in an action movie that spends the entire movie weaseling and shirking to success right up until the point where the audience is pleased to see their downfall because they never truly deserved anything they got.

Again, so many FFXI players have never won a fight in their life. They did nothing but kite mammots. Stunlock everything. Manaburn everything. Chi blast it all. Never once did they amount to anything in the game but an abuse of job mechanics.

And they think they deserve credit for it.

[RedAffinity]

Puppetmaster was my first 75 Job in XI about 4 years ago. I know a thing about

A. People not responding when you ask to join a party
B. "Got any other jobs?"
C. < No Thanks >

Over time I developed great friends, discovered its horribly broken weaknesses (15+ minutes w/o Automaton anyone?), and over time mastered a fully equipped and merited PUP. I had some fantastic memories, joined many events and built a reputation as a good player and even got some "wow" 's along the way.

Did I try harder than most jobs? Yeah. Was it fair? Not at all.

I don't want this to happen in XIV
I have a similar story to share about the underused, underappreciated, and incredibly powerful Dancer. But i'm sure you all don't care, and get the idea.

I would like feeding TP to not be the enemy, rather the monster be the enemy. This will invite front-line classes back up to the front. I'm staying optimistic, there's really nothing I can do at this point other than to wait and see, or leave. June can't come fast enough

[Anty]

i think all developers in the mmo market are useing the same lame old recipes. Some spice them up a "little" and some fail to even copy the basics. And it's true, the developers are there to design and think about other possibilities, not the gamers or the paying customers. I hope that in the future there will be more emphasis on the game/backgroud/tacitics together with improved graphics. Not just grphics... (im a graphic enthusiast but staring at nice graphics and having no challenge doesnt cut it). If ffxiv wasnt a ff title im pretty sure every company would have abandoned it by now and moved on.
Im not sure if its good to have a game designed based on forum discussions since in the end it will never be appealing to anyone. Since it will be mid-range in every part of the game. And this way in the end have no soul at all and fail.
I really DO hope SE has more clues about where the game is goin as they make us think (their communication is far below bad). i don't think there would be a good movie if 100 authors would write on a story/book. They better have a great vision which they are working on... looking at the posts it really seem that they don't and they are really building a forum-based mmo... omg... (i hate the word but...) fail!

[Amineri]

Battle Regimens had the promise of encouraging balanced parties, because of the requirement to use weaponskills from different classes in order to get damage boost (weaponskills from same classes simply removed cross-class affinity penalties).

However, the clunkiness of the battle regimens, together with the still-high affinity of cross-class skills has rendered Battle Regimens less useful then they could have been.

However a system like this, that rewards diversity, without REQUIRING particular classes is the best of both worlds. You don't need any particular class to increase overall damage, but you can't bring 8 of the same class, or your BR will be weak.

Another example, already mentioned, is to give enemies skills that can be used reactively. For example, an enemy could have slashing, piercing, projectile, magic, and elemental defense buffs, but only ONE can be active at a time. The enemy uses the buff corresponding to the biggest damage source. Another way to encourage party diversity.

One thing I DON'T want to see is a simply reversal of the situation, where melee is king, lolARC becomes a byword, with CON and THM relegated to basic healbots. I've seen this situation in other MMOs as well, and it's just as ugly as OPed ARC / THM / CON.

[Rinsui]

@Peregrine
I'm sad that I'm unable to help you.
You must have had a hard time.

[Abraxai]

It's stupid to slam a system before it's even in place.. The system isn't innovative.. but it rewards players that are.. Hmm...