Instance timers need to go

[Dale]

Seriously, the time limits are generous, nobody can argue otherwise. .

Oh yes someone can because they aren't generous at all.

When time limits don't even allow sufficient time for a new group to learn the instance or replace members the last word I would use to describe them is "generous".

[Dale]

At first, I didn't really agree with the timer being placed, but when you stop to consider what people could do if there wasn't a timer, then you begin to understand why they implemented it. The only real problem I've heard about are those roleplaying groups that are busy typing actions in between each battle. Sometimes they run out of time because of this.

That's a whole different discussion altogether though.

I disagree. Every other game I have played with a Duty Finder like mechanism never had stupid timers, and the sky did not fall.

These timers cause way more issues than they solve.

[Tupsi]

Oh yes someone can because they aren't generous at all.

When time limits don't even allow sufficient time for a new group to learn the instance or replace members the last word I would use to describe them is "generous".

Over an hour to not learn a typically 20-35 minute set of dungeons (especially the early ones) isn't generous..? If these were every Einherjar and Tu'Lia dungeons combined, yeah I would expect there to be not enough time.

But 90-120 minutes..? You can see every boss mechanic in 5 minutes or less (and let's not forget that almost every dungeon is generally a set of 2-4 bosses including the final boss) unless you're just standing there watching and not even attacking. I can sympathize with new people, but let's be realistic here..

[KogaDrake]

I disagree. Every other game I have played with a Duty Finder like mechanism never had stupid timers, and the sky did not fall.

These timers cause way more issues than they solve.

What issues do they cause? your group is not skilled enough or geared enough to do it in a time limit that is about DOUBLE the needed time or a skilled player in the minimum expected gear, so you dont finish.. Not enough time left for join in progress, well this means your group took too long to realize it wouldn't work and now there is no time left (or people bailed quick knowin the end and no one joins in progress on such run because they know what they are going to get if they do join).

with the exception of the RP who may have issues with the amount of RP they do in a run, anyone who seriously consistently has an issue with the timer is likely the weak link in the parties leading to the timer issues and is just looking for an out on their own shortcoming.

[Divinemight]

These timers cause way more issues than they solve.

Can not agree. You do not need more than 10 mins to learn each boss encounter in that dungeon.

First boss, at the best you wiped like 2-3 times, then you would realize that you have to move to shinning plateform when you have curse on.

Second boss, there is nothing to learn. It is always logical to attack heart first instead of body when you are seeing boss like that.

Third boss, at the best you wiped 2 - 3 times, then you would realize someone must be inside the sqaure. Unless you are suffering WoW style tunnel vision syndrome, all DPS with sanity would attack those laser shooting thing first.

This is not an encounter that requires more than 1 hour to learn. The only instance would takes more time to learn is probably AK, defintely not the temple. There is a difference between learning and being bad.

[Naunet]

with the exception of the RP who may have issues with the amount of RP they do in a run

This is actually my biggest beef with the timers. Instances often have very unique flavors in terms of scenery, and they provide fantastic settings for RP scenes. Likewise, in character dungeon runs are a fun way to combine roleplay with gameplay. Both of these activities, which I love to take part in, are next to impossible with instance timers.