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    Is it necessary to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly"

    According to the rules, at https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...5382&kid=68216 ,

    "Harassment" is speech and/or behavior that inflicts deep emotional distress on another person. It is an extremely serious violation. Where Square Enix determines that harassment has occurred, a penalty equal to or higher than a "Temporary Service Account Suspension" may be imposed.
    To which the first example is
    ・Discriminatory expressions based on race/nationality/thinking/gender/sexual orientation/gender identity
    And I understand that they punish for off-game behavior. as well, so treating people like garbage outside of the game is punishable.

    With all this being said, it almost seems redundant to advertise "LGBTQ+ friendly" in a game where you are required to tolerate it both on and off the game, seeing as how guilds that aren't friendly would be punished.

    Is it redundant, or is it warranted even with the rules being as explicit as they are about a zero tolerance (on and off game) about it?
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    In a perfect world yes it would be redundant.

    But this is not a perfect world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat13295 View Post
    In a perfect world yes it would be redundant.

    But this is not a perfect world.
    Pretty much this.

    EDIT: also this https://youtu.be/Kl3H4vMqYNo
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    Last edited by Maxilor; 05-12-2022 at 12:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat13295 View Post
    In a perfect world yes it would be redundant.

    But this is not a perfect world.
    Quoting for truth.
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    heh tolerate xD
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    "Is it necessary to explicitly mention that we value communities that are historically marginalized?"

    Yes. Always. Because people who are part of historically marginalized communities do not have the privilege of being able to assume everyone values them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    "Is it necessary to explicitly mention that we value communities that are historically marginalized?"

    Yes. Always. Because people who are part of historically marginalized communities do not have the privilege of being able to assume everyone values them.
    Who has the privilege to assume everyone values them?
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    I've never been in a guild that wasn't "LGBTQ+" friendly. I do generally feel like the advertisement that a guild is, is redundant, as it is a given.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    I've never been in a guild that wasn't "LGBTQ+" friendly. I do generally feel like the advertisement that a guild is, is redundant, as it is a given.
    No. No it absolutely is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rongway View Post
    "Is it necessary to explicitly mention that we value communities that are historically marginalized?"

    Yes. Always. Because people who are part of historically marginalized communities do not have the privilege of being able to assume everyone values them.
    Im late to the party here, but well said.
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    When you're part of a minority/marginalized group like that, it can be very intimidating to jump into a group of strangers that may or may not have disdain for fundamental parts of your identity.

    If a simple flag like "LGBTQ+ friendly" can make someone feel more comfortable/welcomed, I'm all for it.
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