[To the Devs] WHY can't High Level Characters enter dungeons with LVSync OFF OPTION?

[realmreborn]

Reason is we want to take our friends and complete dungeons fasters

DONT FORCE US TO LEVEL SYNC

atleast give you the option to turn it off whats the harm in it? NOTHING

[Alhanelem]

putting [To the Devs] in your subject line won't increase the probability of the devs considering your topic, and can actually repel them from it. They will read threads without you doing this, so don't.

If you don't want discussion on your suggestion, stuff their suggestion box instead of posting here.

So...

Reason is we want to take our friends and complete dungeons fasters

The exact reason they DON'T want you to not level sync. Your friends should get the full dungeon experience, at least the first time they play it. That's like saying "what's the harm in using a cheat code to beat the game faster?"

[Sylve]

Reason is we want to take our friends and complete dungeons fasters

DONT FORCE US TO LEVEL SYNC

atleast give you the option to turn it off whats the harm in it? NOTHING

The harm?

*Looking for level 50 DPS class to run me through story dungeons!*

Ever tried to play WoW? many low level players refuse to do a dungeon their own level, and will only invite a max level character to destroy the place. You get next to no XP per kill for even having a high level player in your party nearby.
I love the level sync, dungeons retain their difficulty no matter how many max level players join.
It also limits certain skills from being used in dungeons that were designed knowing we wouldnt have them.

I think you just want to solo farm dungeons for stuff to sell, and are upset you require a full party for all dungeons.

[Ri_ri]

Needs to sync more. A character with end game armor doing level 30 dungeons is still significantly over powered.

[RoosterAgathos]

Needs to sync more. A character with end game armor doing level 30 dungeons is still significantly over powered.

I wouldn't say over powered. I would say it has max stats for that level depending on gear equipped.

[Seriat]

I wouldn't say over powered. I would say it has max stats for that level depending on gear equipped.

I think gear needs to be sync further. I recently did a Darkhold on PLD for a FC member, went in as PLD, full DL/+1sword/+1shield. Our healer literally afked for 5 minutes and no one noticed as I kept pulling because I was taking next to 0 dmg. In level appropriate gear I would normally get hit for 200-400ish on normal hits. Not once during the run did I get hit for anything over 50 other than on the bosses.

[ReplicaX]

Brings more harm than good. You can always help friends by lvl sync, doing the content as it was intended. You want to complete dungeons faster, however how does that help your friend learn their job? It would be no better than mindless Fate grinding.

[Sinth]

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[Makeda]

Yeah as noted above, this ruins dungeoning in WoW rather often.

Before they had an LFG tool it was hard to get into a PUG and not find some max-leveler in there gimping your XP and drops just by being around. Even with their LFG tool now, it will happen once every dozen or so runs (and in WoW dungeons are so fast and easy, that can be once every 2 to 3 hours)...

Anytime an expac has a new race or class and there's a bubble of people leveling alts - it becomes a mess of folks who bring their 'buddy' and ruin it for everyone else.

In guilds... if you're a high level, you will get whispered all day long by new recruits with "can you run me through the Tower of Nooblets?"
- and it gets very taxing trying to tell people NO, and then getting back "wow this guild hates new people"...
- And the worst part of that is, level sync is not an option there either - so you couldn't sync down and help them even if you wanted to...

But now think of those old raids... You hit 60, or 70, or 80, or 85... and want to try out some raid... one max level member comes along and you end up spending the entire experience just watching a machinema of another person play WoW, up close.

GW2 and City of Heroes both had level sync, and it was great. City of Heroes made it an option... so you ended up with the 'Nooblet' crowd and the 'vet' crowd kind of resenting each other still... "stop pestering me for runs" versus "nobody is helpful around here"... but they let people sync up, so it got even worse "if you want to see the max-level taskforce, level up already and stop asking to get carried in"...

GW2 got it right: mandatory sync to the level of the dungeon. End of discussion because there is no discussion. Want to run the level 35? bam, everybody entering is level 35.

FFXIV does the same... and it helps to avoid a LOT of potential drama.

But GW2 does one better: if you go into that level 35 on your 80... you get loot like an 80... so everybody likes to run everything across all the levels. FFXIV should copy that - especially because we have better level syncing here. In GW2 if you go with your 80 to a 35 dungeon, you actually have the ability/power of about a 38... so you somewhat overpower the place... Here, the sync seems to be more precise... no overpowering. Or, maybe I just haven't seen it yet.

But they need to make it worth it loot wise.

[Sylve]

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I liked GW2, But the lack of Tank/healer roles turned most dungeons into fusterclucks of people running around in circles trying not to die.
Once the vanity system comes out, we will see a sort of surge in people with max level characters playing lowbie dungeons, because some of those lowbie sets look damn fine.

For getting proper loot for 50s in lowbie dungeons ... No i don't think that would work. Those lower level dungeons were not designed to be challenging, and a LOT of the XP in lowbie dungeons comes from killing trash, which a max level Tank simply will not do, which gimps the levelers out of a lot of XP.

Once the HMs for existing dungeons all make it out, hopefully the drops in those wont be recolored drops from the base mode.