Seriously

[Sax]

Large proportion... based on what? A few hundred people posting on the forums? Compared the hundreds of thousands playing the game?

You're applying an availability heuristic like a boss. Because it does not happen to you or some people in your FC, everyone is obviously over exaggerating the problem. I am not saying a majority. I am not saying a certain percent. I am saying, based on the number of posts and reported incidents on the forum, there is a large body of people experiencing this problem. You do NOT know that thousands of people playing do not experience this. What you know, is that you don't, the people in your FC don't, and you know that there are a handful of people who have posted on these forums saying that they don't have a problem don't. You can not speak for everyone playing, but we can speak for every single person that has posted about this issue, and they out number those who have posted they do not.

EDIT: Also, you keep comparing the number of posts here to the entire 14 player base, which really says nothing at all. Try comparing the number of active posters with problems versus those that don't. Not the number of posters with a problem versus the entire player base. IF the OF forum is an accurate representation of the entire player base (which it probably isn't - most people avoid it because of the sheer amounts of stupid that plague it), you could infer the actual percentage of the player base that are experiencing connectivity/lag issues.

[buttfish]

if it helps i will say that my lag is not on the world servers but the duty finder servers only which tells me without a doubt it is not my machine/ISP i have no lag in towns that a ton of people are standing around in

[Furon]

I just used the wording that the poster wrote, and even put in my post that I thought it was higher than that. If they meant 50 threads, they should have wrote 50 threads (50 posts are 50 or less people since only one person can write a post).



Okay so 50 threads at 8 pages a thread = 50x10x8 = 4000 even though the real figure is much lower as people have posted more than once.

4000 / 250,000 players = 0.016%

Even adding a 140 page thread you mentioned (another 1400 posts even though realistically people have posted more than once and/or were already included in the previous amount) would give:

5400 / 250,000 = 0.0216%

The 250,000 figure is obviously a guess, they haven't released figures other than the million people that were playing at the TGS, but I'm sure it's higher than the 25% figure I'm using now, but for demonstration purposes I'm using intentionally lower figures. My previous point was/still is that it's a small percentage who are affected.



Which goes further to demonstrate that SE can only fix errors that are within their control. Your networking routing is not within their control.

I'm sure I'm coming across as a complete jerk and for what it's worth I am sorry that you are having lag issues, especially as this game is so awesome you should be able to play it as intended, but you're not in the majority, so please stop posting like you are.

You are not making any sense at all with your posts man, you are blaming people for making exaggerations but every statement you yourself make is based on pure speculation and not facts, if you took the time to read the posts made you would notice that most of the posters here have already been in contact with their isp's , they have done traceroute and in the majority of the cases the problem is located within the datapark congestion that is under the direct control of square , they could fix this problem by opening up or expanding on their current datapark (that is by now proven to be unable to handle the task)

And by using your version of logic, im writing this post for me personally but im also representing the 12 other people in my guild (who have yet to make a single lag post but they have the same lag problems i have or worse) so by your logic that would mean that 13X5000 people have lag issues (hypothetical sample size taken out of my ass, which is exactly the same as every post you made) so my "guesstimate" is that 65000 people are having severe lag issues 65000/250000 (your number not mine) which means 1/4 is having lag issues!!!!!!!

So let's stop making shit up for abit and loook at the fact's

The lag people are experiencing is by far the most posted problem on the technical forum and have been for almost a month /check
I have talked to my isp provider and confirmed that the problem is not on their end, the congestion is taking place in montreal which means that its Squares problem to fix not mine /check
In my FC everyone is affected by primetime lag and on my server (Odin/eu) the guilds we do coil with are saying the exact same thing, aka they cant play because a majority of their players are lagging too much. /check

If this was a problem only affecting a small minority it would not be the hot topic on reddit (and have been for the last month), it would most certainly not generate more posts then any other subject on the english forums (not just technical but all all sub forums)

Its ok beeing a fanboi and standing up for the game you like, but pretty much everyone making a post here love the game, otherwise they would do what my guild is planning to do if nothing is done, which is to unsub and go play something else without making any posts of any kind, the people actually posting hoping for a resolution to this problem is the people that actually want to stay and play the damn game.

[Maken]

Funnily enough I wasn't having these problems during the beta, even during the stress tests (when I could actually log-on, that is).

But for the past month or so I've been experiencing increasingly bothersome lag spikes. Today it's reached a level so bad that it's nigh impossible to play without getting killed during an encounter. SE, please look into this and make it known to the community that you're seeking some form of resolution. Something as simple as 'we're looking into it' can go a long way toward consumer satisfaction, however minute that may be.

[worldofneil]

You do NOT know that thousands of people playing do not experience this. What you know, is that you don't, the people in your FC don't, and you know that there are a handful of people who have posted on these forums saying that they don't have a problem don't. You can not speak for everyone playing, but we can speak for every single person that has posted about this issue, and they out number those who have posted they do not.

Because people without an issue wouldn't post that they don't have an issue. Why would they? And you're right, I don't know there aren't thousands of people affected, but neither do you. Your information is based on your own experience and the hundreds of people (not thousands) posting on the forums. Just because it's a hot topic in the technical support area at the moment, doesn't automatically mean a high proportion of the players are affected, it just means there are relatively few other problems.

im writing this post for me personally but im also representing the 12 other people in my guild (who have yet to make a single lag post but they have the same lag problems i have or worse)

So let's stop making shit up for abit and loook at the fact's

Okay... the facts are that there are potentially more people that those posting on the forums who are affected by a lag issue, but because they haven't posted to tell people, they aren't getting counted (either by me or more importantly SE).

Is that about right?

[Retrograde]

Funnily enough I wasn't having these problems during the beta, even during the stress tests (when I could actually log-on, that is).

But for the past month or so I've been experiencing increasingly bothersome lag spikes. Today it's reached a level so bad that it's nigh impossible to play without getting killed during an encounter. SE, please look into this and make it known to the community that you're seeking some form of resolution. Something as simple as 'we're looking into it' can go a long way toward consumer satisfaction, however minute that may be.

Yep, this. I have no heuristics or statistics, or really much of anything, and probably too much superstition. Back in the early days of beta my servers (older Diabolos and Ultros) had pings in the 100-200 millisecond range for many zones. I haven't been back to check those, but when Famfrit came online, I never saw pings (just using the in game numbers) of less than 400 mS. And even the newest server Zalera isn't much better.

My theory is that when they increased all the capacities, some amount of this lag becomes inevitable and is server side. It shouldn't take very long to process a transaction with the machines they have, but if poor QoS is not routing transactions well then all bets are off on how long it takes and how the client side sync is. There was a single weekend that they had to do a very extended emergency maintenance because there were 90K errors that exposed the fact there were more users than expected, and I believe when they extended the capacities, the game may have some design flaws that are causing quality of service to be poor. So I expect some network optimizations causing the lag.

But I'm only guessing based on my experience. The user base is so much larger now, there may be no way to fix it.

[Arriverderci]

if they arent experiencing lag they do not play peak times

When is peak time? Because I get the random delays and stuff out of well...random. No one else in my family is using net, I test my ping on laptop and I dunno how to see ping via PS3 and test other games, no lag.
But since I work from afternoon, to evening, not sure if I wanna try and come home and play everyday when I am tired.
Cannot fully enjoy the game is we all got be up before the brink of dawn to actually play.

[buttfish]

When is peak time? Because I get the random delays and stuff out of well...random. No one else in my family is using net, I test my ping on laptop and I dunno how to see ping via PS3 and test other games, no lag.
But since I work from afternoon, to evening, not sure if I wanna try and come home and play everyday when I am tired.
Cannot fully enjoy the game is we all got be up before the brink of dawn to actually play.

well around this time right now i experience minimal lag half second or less which i can deal with but in a few hours its so bad the game is unplayable

[ntall1]

Before 4:00pm my time is unplayable in the world. After 4pm I can play in the world but no DF. After Midnight I can finally do DF stuff. This doesnt really fit in with how I wanted to play the game.. So I just don't play anymore. I have an active sub, but I still have no desire to be frustrated constantly while trying to play a game.

[skylan]

It's pretty much unplayable for me right now. Everything just freezes for 1-2 seconds and then warps around. This is constant.