Seriously

[Pygar]

Hate to say it, but it's just not our fault, SE has done nothing to address the issue, ignoring it outright after accusing ISP's all over the world of throtteling their $660+ million dollar game and have not contacted them....

Calling bank...nough said.

[Someonewithclap]

Its amazing how I, nor any people in my coil group or FC seems to have this crazy lag people speak of.

We have players from all over europe, US, and Austrailla.

[Furon]

No what is amazing is that you come to the technical forum and make a reply saying you don't have any problems, that's truly amazing.
It would be like me going to a cancer support group and saying "Hey its amazing, "I" don't have cancer, nor do any of the people i know ..weird huh??!"

That wouldnt really help much, infact i would probably just piss off alot of people needlessly.

[worldofneil]

Furon, your original post said about "huge percentage of the playerbase" which I can only assume was based on your other statement of "its unplayable during primetime for 80% of my guild". Your FC according to the lodestone though is 13 people, so that 10/11 people having lag issues.

I can see on the forums that there are a lot of people with lag issues, but percentage wise, it would appear this is actually only a smaller amount of the players who are actually playing the game. Those of us without lag (myself included), aren't creating threads to say we don't have lag (why would we?) and then the times that people (like Someonewithclap above) tries to point out that the lag doesn't affect everyone, they get shouted at.

I can link at least 50 posts with more than enough info to prove it is a real problem.

I think it's a bit higher than 50 people, but as demonstrated at TGS 2013, there's over a million players. Now that was a month ago, but even if only 25% of those actually kept playing, that's still 50/250,000 = 0.0002%

[Furon]

Seriously , what the hell are you talking about?

50 people?

The guy above said he could easily find 50 POST's, and as each one of them range from 3-8 pages i dont think 50 people are having issues with the lag, i mean theres only 2-3 posts about blackscreen when closing the game and that got hotfixxed within 72 hours, and i think alot more then those 20 people posting in that thread had problems closing the game.

Please do at least a minimum of research before posting more crap here, on reddit theres thousand's of individual comments on the LAG in ff14, dating from over a month back to today.

Theres a 140 page long post at the top of this forum that's stickied that is about the lag issues people are having in the game.

So try guesstimating again please, or better yet please don't and just go play your imaginary lag free version of ff14.

[worldofneil]

The guy above said he could easily find 50 POST's

I just used the wording that the poster wrote, and even put in my post that I thought it was higher than that. If they meant 50 threads, they should have wrote 50 threads (50 posts are 50 or less people since only one person can write a post).

and as each one of them range from 3-8 pages

Okay so 50 threads at 8 pages a thread = 50x10x8 = 4000 even though the real figure is much lower as people have posted more than once.

4000 / 250,000 players = 0.016%

Even adding a 140 page thread you mentioned (another 1400 posts even though realistically people have posted more than once and/or were already included in the previous amount) would give:

5400 / 250,000 = 0.0216%

The 250,000 figure is obviously a guess, they haven't released figures other than the million people that were playing at the TGS, but I'm sure it's higher than the 25% figure I'm using now, but for demonstration purposes I'm using intentionally lower figures. My previous point was/still is that it's a small percentage who are affected.

i mean theres only 2-3 posts about blackscreen when closing the game and that got hotfixxed within 72 hours

Which goes further to demonstrate that SE can only fix errors that are within their control. Your networking routing is not within their control.

I'm sure I'm coming across as a complete jerk and for what it's worth I am sorry that you are having lag issues, especially as this game is so awesome you should be able to play it as intended, but you're not in the majority, so please stop posting like you are.

[Will01]

I just used the wording that the poster wrote, and even put in my post that I thought it was higher than that. If they meant 50 threads, they should have wrote 50 threads (50 posts are 50 or less people since only one person can write a post).



Okay so 50 threads at 8 pages a thread = 50x10x8 = 4000 even though the real figure is much lower as people have posted more than once.

4000 / 250,000 players = 0.016%

Even adding a 140 page thread you mentioned (another 1400 posts even though realistically people have posted more than once and/or were already included in the previous amount) would give:

5400 / 250,000 = 0.0216%

The 250,000 figure is obviously a guess, they haven't released figures other than the million people that were playing at the TGS, but I'm sure it's higher than the 25% figure I'm using now, but for demonstration purposes I'm using intentionally lower figures. My previous point was/still is that it's a small percentage who are affected.

There is one major flaw in this logic, it assumes everyone with the problem has taken to the forums.

[worldofneil]

There is one major flaw in this logic, it assumes everyone with the problem has taken to the forums.

Which means you're assuming there are considerably more people with lag issues that those that have posted on the forums. Where are they?

I'm haven't been assuming anything, I'm just pointing out the the information we do know, which is that the people with lag problems are in the extreme minority. If there are considerably more people with lag problems, where are they if they're not posting on the official forums?

It's not like these forums are a secret, especially since a lot of the responses SE email/phone support seems to give people is to post their problems on the forums.

The official "Feedback/suggestions" link is also direct to the forums too:

http://support.eu.square-enix.com/co...383&la=2&fty=3

[Furon]

I just used the wording that the poster wrote, and even put in my post that I thought it was higher than that. If they meant 50 threads, they should have wrote 50 threads (50 posts are 50 or less people since only one person can write a post).



Okay so 50 threads at 8 pages a thread = 50x10x8 = 4000 even though the real figure is much lower as people have posted more than once.

4000 / 250,000 players = 0.016%

Even adding a 140 page thread you mentioned (another 1400 posts even though realistically people have posted more than once and/or were already included in the previous amount) would give:

5400 / 250,000 = 0.0216%

The 250,000 figure is obviously a guess, they haven't released figures other than the million people that were playing at the TGS, but I'm sure it's higher than the 25% figure I'm using now, but for demonstration purposes I'm using intentionally lower figures. My previous point was/still is that it's a small percentage who are affected.



Which goes further to demonstrate that SE can only fix errors that are within their control. Your networking routing is not within their control.

I'm sure I'm coming across as a complete jerk and for what it's worth I am sorry that you are having lag issues, especially as this game is so awesome you should be able to play it as intended, but you're not in the majority, so please stop posting like you are.

You are not making any sense at all with your posts man, you are blaming people for making exaggerations but every statement you yourself make is based on pure speculation and not facts, if you took the time to read the posts made you would notice that most of the posters here have already been in contact with their isp's , they have done traceroute and in the majority of the cases the problem is located within the datapark congestion that is under the direct control of square , they could fix this problem by opening up or expanding on their current datapark (that is by now proven to be unable to handle the task)

And by using your version of logic, im writing this post for me personally but im also representing the 12 other people in my guild (who have yet to make a single lag post but they have the same lag problems i have or worse) so by your logic that would mean that 13X5000 people have lag issues (hypothetical sample size taken out of my ass, which is exactly the same as every post you made) so my "guesstimate" is that 65000 people are having severe lag issues 65000/250000 (your number not mine) which means 1/4 is having lag issues!!!!!!!

So let's stop making shit up for abit and loook at the fact's

The lag people are experiencing is by far the most posted problem on the technical forum and have been for almost a month /check
I have talked to my isp provider and confirmed that the problem is not on their end, the congestion is taking place in montreal which means that its Squares problem to fix not mine /check
In my FC everyone is affected by primetime lag and on my server (Odin/eu) the guilds we do coil with are saying the exact same thing, aka they cant play because a majority of their players are lagging too much. /check

If this was a problem only affecting a small minority it would not be the hot topic on reddit (and have been for the last month), it would most certainly not generate more posts then any other subject on the english forums (not just technical but all all sub forums)

Its ok beeing a fanboi and standing up for the game you like, but pretty much everyone making a post here love the game, otherwise they would do what my guild is planning to do if nothing is done, which is to unsub and go play something else without making any posts of any kind, the people actually posting hoping for a resolution to this problem is the people that actually want to stay and play the damn game.

[worldofneil]

You do NOT know that thousands of people playing do not experience this. What you know, is that you don't, the people in your FC don't, and you know that there are a handful of people who have posted on these forums saying that they don't have a problem don't. You can not speak for everyone playing, but we can speak for every single person that has posted about this issue, and they out number those who have posted they do not.

Because people without an issue wouldn't post that they don't have an issue. Why would they? And you're right, I don't know there aren't thousands of people affected, but neither do you. Your information is based on your own experience and the hundreds of people (not thousands) posting on the forums. Just because it's a hot topic in the technical support area at the moment, doesn't automatically mean a high proportion of the players are affected, it just means there are relatively few other problems.

im writing this post for me personally but im also representing the 12 other people in my guild (who have yet to make a single lag post but they have the same lag problems i have or worse)

So let's stop making shit up for abit and loook at the fact's

Okay... the facts are that there are potentially more people that those posting on the forums who are affected by a lag issue, but because they haven't posted to tell people, they aren't getting counted (either by me or more importantly SE).

Is that about right?