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    yes lets push all the important stuff that needs to be implemented to make the core game more robust and enjoyable.... and focus on adding Jump..... yeah -.-

    Jump has never been nor is still needed in an MMORPG, WoW and some other MMOs added it, and all you see in those games are people jumping around like rabbits.......

    If I want jumping I will go play an action game, or level Dragoon ;p
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    His point is a lot of stuff were not planned for and are still happening. Like auto attack and materia system. Just like that it does not matter if they did not plan to implement a feature. They can do it now, along side all the other features they were not planning to add but now they have to cause the game sucked at release
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceons View Post
    His point is a lot of stuff were not planned for and are still happening. Like auto attack and materia system. Just like that it does not matter if they did not plan to implement a feature. They can do it now, along side all the other features they were not planning to add but now they have to cause the game sucked at release
    And thats why he referenced FFXIII?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    for what Eva wants they do have to redesign some stuff
    Evas biggest complaint with jump is that she gets stuck on bushes, or cant jump up and down cliffs

    even if jump is just "added" it doesnt automaticaly let you do this, you would then have to go back and redesign EVERY map to make it so that the invisible walls that prevent people from going through them(up and down cliffs) are not there
    this is pretty much what they have been doing with the collision detection

    but for the ability to only be able to reach stuff with jump(over bushes and up cliffs you cant run up) it would require a redesign of stuff, and eva refuses to understand that
    Alrighty, so my original thoughts of having to redesign everything were right. wtf was i thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceons View Post
    His point is a lot of stuff were not planned for and are still happening. Like auto attack and materia system. Just like that it does not matter if they did not plan to implement a feature. They can do it now, along side all the other features they were not planning to add but now they have to cause the game sucked at release
    Thank you Ceons for pointing that out . It though my point was quite obvious... i guess I'm just overestimating some people!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onidemon View Post
    Thank you Ceons for pointing that out . It though my point was quite obvious... i guess I'm just overestimating some people!
    lol you don't make sense at all. You referenced FFXIII and now both of you are completely ignoring it as if it never happened.

    No, your point was not obvious, there was no point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuru View Post
    lol you don't make sense at all. You referenced FFXIII and now both of you are completely ignoring it as if it never happened.

    No, your point was not obvious, there was no point.
    Let me break it down for you maybe this way you will understand it ... maybe.... i hope....

    Someone said they don't need to make any changes to FFXIV's design to add jump as an interactive option while near clifs as FFXIII, which is using the same graphic engine "Crystal tools", had that feature.

    So i was pointing out that FFXIII when it was designed(talking about maps and level design), had jumping off cliffs in mind and so the maps in that game were made to support such a feature.

    Now unless FFXIV is a port of FFXIII and they re-used the whole game's coding, that means they would need to re-design maps(code the algorithms necessary for getting a "Jump" button when near a cliff) in order to have this working.

    You thought you were clever and try to make an argument against jumping by saying "you said it yourself the game was not designed for it" to which i replied " a lot of the upcoming changes are features that were not planned for and for which the game was not designed for, yet we are getting them very soon. Thus rendering your argument invalid and making you look stupid. I can't blame you for getting upset... it's ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onidemon View Post
    Let me break it down for you maybe this way you will understand it ... maybe.... i hope....

    Someone said they don't need to make any changes to FFXIV's design to add jump as an interactive option while near clifs as FFXIII, which is using the same graphic engine "Crystal tools", had that feature.

    So i was pointing out that FFXIII when it was designed(talking about maps and level design), had jumping off cliffs in mind and so the maps in that game were made the support such a feature.

    Now unless FFXIV is a port of FFXIII and they re-used the whole game's coding, that means they would need to re-design maps(code the algorithms necessary for getting a "Jump" button when near a cliff) in order to have this working.

    You thought you were clever and try to make an argument against jumping by saying "you said it yourself the game was not designed for it" to which i replied " a lot of the upcoming changes are features that were not planned for and for which the game was not designed for, yet we are getting them very soon. Thus rendering your argument invalid and making you look stupid. I can't blame you for getting upset... it's ok.
    Oh im sorry, my mistake, you should have been more specific if you were trying to make me look dumb.

    Is that really what your intentions were?

    you DO realize that I am on the dont-give-a-shit boat. I'm simply stating why they dont need to implement it NOW. And they wont, so this battle is won.
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    - maps were not designed for jumping

    - no need to implement at this moment

    - people will jump around like rabbits


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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    - maps were not designed for jumping

    - no need to implement at this moment

    - people will jump around like rabbits


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    you pretty much hit it dead on with those 3 points

    all three of them are 100% FACT, something you refuse to understand

    stop being closed minded

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    you pretty much hit it dead on with those 3 points

    all three of them are 100% FACT, something you refuse to understand

    stop being closed minded
    - maps were not designed for jumping, OMG OMG OMG, how in the world are they planning to add jobs and auto-attack then? I mean like it wasn't even designed for it. What are we going to do!

    I though my point was clear enough already....
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