new players screwed?

[DenzelTaru]

I enjoy the odd FATE or 2.. Hundred.

I am glad you have a sense of humour lol :P

[Welsper59]

I'm gonna just ignore saying the "SE needs to do this and that" sort of thing and just give a suggestion that I give to everyone that they can do now, new or not. Make friends or at least attempt to be social. Don't just join a party and stay quiet. Say something, even if no one responds. Heck, just saying "Hi" is good enough of a start. Maybe compliment someone, if you see they leveled, throw out a random "grats". Be friendly.

New players generally won't concern themselves very much about forcing themselves into exclusively doing DF content. If they have some background in MMORPGs, they'll understand several things (if they aren't too clueless about the genre). One of which is the role differences towards a queue timer. You don't need to have experienced this games DF or LFD/LFR in WoW to eventually understand that healers and tanks are probably the minority. It's more of a logical look into the situation. Meaning they'll likely queue faster. Heck, even if they don't learn that, they can still ask someone random about the queue times if that's a problem.

In general though, new players won't be exclusively focused on the DF, they'll be focused on leveling and/or exploring. Both of which can be done while in queue anyway. SE does not need to hold their hands through basic human functionality and adaptation. There's enough for new players to do in this game that doesn't involve relying on the random DF queue. There is also the fact that information about doing things in the game is readily available for anyone to search for (Google).

[KyteStones]

PLEASE.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FATES!! - You have the ability to shout for party members, he could just level Conjurer to 15 for an instant queue then finish the dungeon and continue his way, no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes. Why don't you go help your friend? You can use your current gear it'll sync down..

How long ago was that, that you waited 44 minutes? 3 days ago I queued up for AK. Waited 2 hours. For 2 hours I crafted waiting for a queue pop as a BLM. I created a Gladiator class as a second character, took 3 hours in the DF for it to pop. It popped, a member withdrew from it, and it didn't pop back up. Luckily I had 3 very nice people nearby who seen my shouts since my FC wasn't online at the time all level 50 in DL just doing gathering helped me out. There are extremely long wait times. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about.

[Animation]

/Snippity.

Techically I didn't open my mouth at all, I pressed keys on my keyboard. You must just be really unlucky or I'm lucky the longest queue I've had on a healer was 5 minutes for AK on Monday, DPS is normally 20 - 30 minutes.

[Freakiie]

So only apply for AK just after myth cap resets. Again, work arounds.

@Welsper
As a low lvl player there's just not much else to do. Lvling Wut? You can't continue your MQ without the dungeon and there really aren't that many sidequests at those lvls. Sure, you can grind fates, but how many people know that's the most effective way to lvling? Exploring? Not really. You set one step wrong and suddenly stand around lv30+ aggressive mobs. Do that a few times and people won't bother straying off their quest locations anymore.

On top off that you get THREE of those low lvl dungeons in a row. So when you finally get your queue for the first time and finish it, the game throws the next dungeon at you. I highly doubt that's a very enjoyable experience for someone who just sat in the queue for ages in his previous dungeon. This has nothing to do SE holding peoples hand, it's screwing low lvls over in their STORYline, because the low lvl dungeons die out.

Not to mention how ironic it is that half the forum complains about how people lvl solely on fates and do no dungeons, when low lvl dungeons are dead and they can't run them even if they wanted to.

[KogaDrake]

Just because FATEs are the fastest does not mean it is the only way. friend stuck on a dung, you can queue with him and your level synced down. Need more then 2, ask your FC to help and if no one in your FC will help for such things then you prob need a better FC or LS.

[gelectrode]

He is shouting and people are telling him to go do fates and when he asks for help with it people say get a 3 other people and i can help stuff like that. Dont matter if you are a healer or tank if no one else is doing these dungeons you wont get a group by just /shout or being in q.

My point is this is a HUGE hurdle for new players and really screws up the game for them. Didnt know about the 2.1 so i guess we'll have to wait for that.

Just because FATEs are the fastest does not mean it is the only way. friend stuck on a dung, you can queue with him and your level synced down. Need more then 2, ask your FC to help and if no one in your FC will help for such things then you prob need a better FC or LS.

You clearly didnt read the post and you must think people are some nice on mmo's these days lol.

[Ri_ri]

How long ago was that, that you waited 44 minutes? 3 days ago I queued up for AK. Waited 2 hours. For 2 hours I crafted waiting for a queue pop as a BLM. I created a Gladiator class as a second character, took 3 hours in the DF for it to pop. It popped, a member withdrew from it, and it didn't pop back up. Luckily I had 3 very nice people nearby who seen my shouts since my FC wasn't online at the time all level 50 in DL just doing gathering helped me out. There are extremely long wait times. You shouldn't open your mouth when you don't know what you're talking about.

I've never waited more than 45 minutes as DD either, places like Wanderer's Palace often goes at 25 mins.

[Ryios]

All you need is 1 tank and 2 dps. Surely you can find one tank and 2 dps to go with them. For that matter everyone can roll a tank to get through the main story to que faster and then reroll at 50.

[Welsper59]

So only apply for AK just after myth cap resets. Again, work arounds.

@Welsper
As a low lvl player there's just not much else to do. Lvling Wut? You can't continue your MQ without the dungeon and there really aren't that many sidequests at those lvls. Sure, you can grind fates, but how many people know that's the most effective way to lvling? Exploring? Not really. You set one step wrong and suddenly stand around lv30+ aggressive mobs. Do that a few times and people won't bother straying off their quest locations anymore.

On top off that you get THREE of those low lvl dungeons in a row. So when you finally get your queue for the first time and finish it, the game throws the next dungeon at you. I highly doubt that's a very enjoyable experience for someone who just sat in the queue for ages in his previous dungeon. This has nothing to do SE holding peoples hand, it's screwing low lvls over in their STORYline, because the low lvl dungeons die out.

Not to mention how ironic it is that half the forum complains about how people lvl solely on fates and do no dungeons, when low lvl dungeons are dead and they can't run them even if they wanted to.

Why can't they run dungeons? I've never encountered a problem so far, nor have any others that have solo queued them in the last week or so (this includes entry level dungeons). And the handholding thing was referring to being social. I would hope that a human being would not need the help of SE to show them how to be social, to make some friends that can potentially do stuff with them. I made friends with a tank, me and him would queue through dungeons whenever we could. I've gotten several other new players through things because they basically befriended me through the LS/FC.

It's not impossible for people do things if they put some honest effort into it. Queuing solo is not putting in any actual effort in a socially aimed game, and yes, MMORPGs are designed for people to be social with each other.

Again, I have to stress, most new players are not going to be focusing exclusively on dungeon content. They'll just be leveling (you can level without completing a single dungeon... FATEs and regular quests...) and/or exploring. I meet new people all the time that do exactly this while waiting for the queue, assuming they even want to queue in general.

What you describe sounds like you're pulling in the mentality of veteran/experienced players together with them being in a situation that they just started the game. Meaning they'll guarantee have that same level of impatience and boredom that they stereotypically have. That's not the case for most new comers.