new players screwed?

[reign70]

while leveling my GLA i noticed that queues for the first three story dungeons were really long even as a tank. i'm talking about 45min+ ...
this just doesn't seem right to me at all.

How would you propose to force others who are past this point in the game to queue up? The problem isn't the queue - when no one else is trying to get in that dungeon then it will be a long time. it is always best to go at it with a premade group. Even when someone is new they can shout for help and there are people who will help.

If his friend is new then he should help his friend out with queue'ing up with him while teaching him how to shout for help. heck..he could even tell him to queue up as his main class then switch over to e DoH / DoL and level that until he gets in.

[Diay]

This is only an issue because the dungeons/primals are required to advanced the main quest. This was a horrible design decision.

[OrganizationXIll]

So my friend wants to play ffxiv, great. he gets the game and is now level 20 and is trying to do probably pirates. So he is in Q for 4 hours and cant get a group. Then it hits me, i cant run him though by my self and there is no reason for anyone pass this quest to ever run it again since fate spamming is so much better. No one is making more chars other then there 1 because there is almost no need.

So what now, my friend is ok because i can hook him up with 2 more people to help but how does a brand new player with no friends on a server do anything with this game at this point?

FATES are better yes. I, however, hate them. I run dungeons quite frequently on my alt classes. What I do is make things with my GSM, put them on the market, log out in an in go to sleep for 5-6 hours.Then, wake up and set the DF to the first 3 dungeons to level my THM until I run out of bonus XP. Rinse and repeat. I can't be the only one. No way.

[Kalam]

Longest Q for dungeons I've seen is 35min. I'd rather fate grind in between story dungeons.

[Zeille]

Dunno if it's been mentioned, but in the upper right corner of the Duty Finder make sure you've got all 4 languages checked. That helps to get parties faster.

DD classes will always have a long wait for dungeons, nature of the beast. There are people out there who prefer to run dungeons rather than FATE grind, just have to find them. Shouting for a group might work.

I just did Sastasha last night after waiting 20 mins on pugilist. Try to run it during a time of day when a lot of people are on, you might have better luck.

[Yurikitty]

Why will no one be running low level dungeons? I see people doing it all the time for other jobs and gear for other jobs. Fates are the only way to level a second job, they aren't going to be empty for a good while, and even so, they scale to the amount of players, so you can easily duo or even solo low level fates. How do you think low levels did it before in any other game thats been out a while? Every MMO is the same in the end, and every new player does just fine, no matter how long the game has been out. My only complaint with the fate system is it doesnt allow people to learn the job properly. Even I had to talk to a smn friend after I hit 40 to make sure I was playing right, people just spam one button in fates, you dont learn correctly. Its bad.

[Kosmos992k]

Fates are the only way to level a second job, they aren't going to be empty for a good while, and even so, they scale to the amount of players,

Um, actually, I don't think FATE scale on the number of players. I've never seen a FATE scale to the number of players, not once. Since player can join any time, the FATE is the same when initiated as it is when someone joins 10 minutes in.

[Alavastre]

OP, there is plenty of things you can do. You can queue up with him and make it easier to do the dungeon. Yes, you don't really get rewards, but if you do get some loot you can turn it in to your GC for seals. I'm thinking you don't even have to take out your soul stone either. You just won't be able to use the abilities above that level. Pretty sure I queued up on accident and ran through it as a WHM.

[Kosmos992k]

So my friend wants to play ffxiv, great. he gets the game and is now level 20 and is trying to do probably pirates. So he is in Q for 4 hours and cant get a group.

This is why Free Companies and LinkShells exist, and why it's a good idea to join one (esp. Free Company).

That said, dungeon XP is better now than it was at launch and unless players are laser focused on a single class and grinding end-game - which sadly a lot are - dungeons are now a viable source of leveling - especially on alt classes.

There are players who will run any dungeon with anyone for the heck of it, but unfortunately they are rarer than the laser focused end-gamers.