new players screwed?

[Klutz64]

PLEASE.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FATES!! - You have the ability to shout for party members, he could just level Conjurer to 15 for an instant queue then finish the dungeon and continue his way, no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes. Why don't you go help your friend? You can use your current gear it'll sync down..

Not exactly a fan of the delivery, but I have to agree with the last point. OP's friend must be playing at some really odd hours, 'cause I run the low level dungeons all the time for my alts (Satasha, Copperbell, and Tam-Tara are excellent for getting 15-20 quickly) and have never waited more than an hour

[Bahamuts_Slayer]

no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes.

Umm... I've had 4 hour queues for Amdapor Keep back before they added more instance servers, I know I'm not the only one either.

[Lord_Zlatan]

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Agreed with most of this. People will help if you ask. FFXI gave you no incentive to help newer players. I joined the game in 04 almost 2 years after it came out and there was no shortage of help to be found, even though sometimes it would take a while to get a group going.

And what do FATES have anything to do with this? yes its better EXP but for the love of god its not like everyone currently in the game ONLY grinds fates. I could care less how long it will take me to level my monk alt who I made a new character for. I plan on doing all the dungeons with him so that I can learn my class. Most people will see an advantage to doing the dungeons at some point. Just because FATE grinding happens to be the most effective and boring way to level doesn't mean that the community at large would be unwilling to help someone out for all of 45 minutes it takes to run Sastasha/Tam Tara

[Anakhu]

PLEASE.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FATES!! - You have the ability to shout for party members, he could just level Conjurer to 15 for an instant queue then finish the dungeon and continue his way, no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes. Why don't you go help your friend? You can use your current gear it'll sync down..

leveling my thaum , 2-3 hr ques for Halatali. Sorry bud, but they DO take that long sometimes now.

J, E, D, F all selected even.

I have an FC , who are mostly either trying to either finish storyline, relic up, or DL farm.. why would I bother them to help me in a lvl 20 dungeon, and why would they want to. There is no incentive , sure they can be "nice" and do it.. but honestly , how many times have you pretended not to see a request in FC for help in some crap early game dungeon that you just dont want to deal with on your current schedule? It happens quite often, everyone does it at some point, it happens and its understood.

The game needs more incentives for people to WANT to run a lower end dungeon every now and then when asked, or are bored.

[CatofNineTails]

PLEASE.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FATES!! - You have the ability to shout for party members, he could just level Conjurer to 15 for an instant queue then finish the dungeon and continue his way, no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes. Why don't you go help your friend? You can use your current gear it'll sync down..

had queue on my cnj about a month ago was out doing my hunting log which was way below my level at the time so no companion choco. well traveled all over the world clear the 3 levels of hunting log completely and realized the queue still had not come up that was 5 1/2 hrs after i'd queued. so nope cnj is not a sure queue and 4 hr queues do exist.

[Liiswyer]

PLEASE.. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT FATES!! - You have the ability to shout for party members, he could just level Conjurer to 15 for an instant queue then finish the dungeon and continue his way, no queue is 4 hours. The longest queue I've had as a DPS was 44 minutes. Why don't you go help your friend? You can use your current gear it'll sync down..

He shouldn't be forced to level another class to be able to get into a queue. Sure, you can shout for party members, but what if there still isn't anyone willing to do the dungeon?

[Freakiie]

He stated he did exactly that. HOWEVER a new player who starts this game will NOT have a bunch of high lvl friends helping him out. Shouting won't help much either. When there's nobody around in DF, which is cross server, how high are the odds you actually find people through shout? Not everyone is constantly looking for lowbies they can help.

Also having to lvl to conju just to complete your storyline is once more players being forced to circumvent design flaws. While it's an option it should not be forced onto players to go play another class in order to get things done (and when you're applying for something like Satasha, you don't "just" lvl a class to 15. Heck your main won't be much higher than that at that time)

[Animation]

looks like we found a fate grinder :P

I enjoy the odd FATE or 2.. Hundred.

/snip

I stated options that he could have done..

[DenzelTaru]

I enjoy the odd FATE or 2.. Hundred.

I am glad you have a sense of humour lol :P

[Skivvy]

I think it would be helpful if you could be registered for DF while in a party. That way you aren't forced to solo for the hour (or longer) that it takes for a group to finally pop up. I've only had to queue up as a DD a handful of times, and I felt I was being punished during the wait time by not being able to get decent exp whilst waiting due to the party restriction (even having the bird out cancels DF...although I hear this should eventually be changing).

I do think it's important for people to go through dungeons to help learn their jobs, but the wait times are a huge turn off. Hopefully the tweaks they are making will take care of this.