Balence Issue: Sprint should not take TP

[ReplicaX]

Scathe: 120 Potency
Fire: 150 Potency + Astral Fire bonus

Bio: 40 Potency/3s, no direct dmg.
Ruin 2: 80 Potency, Double MP cost of Ruin

Conclusion: If a mage is sprint kiting you, they are doing shit damage. Run the other way and they'll do 0 damage. Alternatively, Gap closer > Heavy > Sprint effectively useless.

Not to mention:
Monk has Shoulder Tackle + Fists of Wind.
Dragoon has Jumps.
Bard is just OP cause instants + ranged.

Casters are the only ones who have to stand still to deal any respectable damage.



See above.

Titan: Everyone has to dodge, sprint isn't required for mages, everyone does respectable damage when the skill is there.

BLM: Aetherial Manipulation, Instants, DoTs, High Spike Dmg per Cast, unlimited MP thru proper management.
SMN: Garuda 40+ DPS alone on Titan, Instants, more DoTs and MP Regains.

[DistraughtKoala]

But that does not include the dot instant cast spells that can be done on the move.

Bio 1? Or Miasma 2? FEAR ME AND MY RUIN 2 AND BIO 1 SPAM!!!! ALL OF THE DAMAGE!

[ReplicaX]

That's kinda the point, Sprint is supposed to be your {|Run Away!|} skill. If a melee uses it, they lose dps capability for a bit, if a bard uses, same thing. If a mage uses it, they are running, so not doing any substantial dps anyway.

Either way, melee have gap closers and gap creators, which mages don't get. It's only fair that mages have access to something similar, and sprint was just there.

Bard has repelling shot, yes. However, its fixed movement, animation lock, and has limited use and range (Not far enough to get out of some AoE Circles). As a Bard I do in fact use my songs. Foe when there is no MP issues and Ballad when MP is low. We can't move and cast either, its part of the utility/hybrid of the job.

Mages also have Insta-casts for on the move and 2/4 have pets as well.

[Hachiko]

That's kinda the point, Sprint is supposed to be your {|Run Away!|} skill. If a melee uses it, they lose dps capability for a bit, if a bard uses, same thing. If a mage uses it, they are running, so not doing any substantial dps anyway.


Either way, melee have gap closers and gap creators, which mages don't get. It's only fair that mages have access to something similar, and sprint was just there.

If a Melee uses it they lose their ability to do any real dps for the foreseeable future. They will be able to use 1-2 weapon skills every 7.5 seconds on average. So not only can they do no damage while sprinting, but their damage is incredibly nerfed after the spriting.

And melee don't generally have gap closers and gap creators. PLD and WAR have neither, and only have a non-spammable low damage ranged attack. Monk has a gap closer on a 1.5 minute cooldown, and DRG has 2 gap closers on a 90 and 180 second cooldown. Sprint has a 30 second recast.

Admittedly, SE could add a bunch of PvP gap closers / gap creators in the game, but that's speculative.

Aside from that, casters all sorts of things they can do while moving:

Scathe
Aero
Regen
Bio
Ruin II
Miasma II

And that's just the spammable, no cooldown skills. There are a variety of other things that will be castable while on the move for casters, and more importantly all of the dot damage from casters will continue ticking, and the pet damage will still be going out too unless it gets killed.

Also, which melee classes have heavy right now? I don't think any of them do.

[Naunet]

Sprint using TP is going to break pvp. It's literally impossible for a melee character to hit a sprinting player because of the way hit detection and animations work in this game. If the enemy is outside of melee range before the attack animation plays, it is canceled.

It's nearly impossible to hit a moving anything as melee. My fiance is constantly expressing frustration about how he can't hit this or that because the mob/boss is moving and everything he does says out of range despite him chasing after it. I've experienced this myself on my melee alts.

I agree with this thread. Sprint is horribly balanced and biased towards ranged. It should utilize its own re-charging resource pool - or take the resource cost out all-together and maybe increase the CD a bit. As it is now, it makes zero sense.

The spell also better be completely disabled in PvP.

As a DoW I think it is fair to use up TP for Sprint...you shouldn't count on that to dodge skills on bosses.

Why should it penalize melee and not ranged? The penalty of running away from the boss is enough.

These are low damage/healing spells.

Exactly. That is your penalty for moving. A melee player's penalty for moving is not being able to hit the boss at all.

Please don't ask to nerf it with a Long CD, Healing is boring, if not for the stupidity I could pull off I would have quit a while ago.

A CD increase really wouldn't be necessary if they moved it to its own re-charging resource. Both GW2 and WildStar work their extra functions in such a way (WildStar has separate resources for their dodge roll and sprint), and it works quite well.

[Horg]

I agree with this thread. Sprint is horribly balanced and biased towards ranged. It should utilize its own re-charging resource pool - or take the resource cost out all-together and maybe increase the CD a bit. As it is now, it makes zero sense.

TP is used to power physical abilities (Weapon Skills), MP is used to power magical abilities (Spells), how does it not make sense that running faster than normal is a physical ability?

All I hear is a bunch of complaining from people who shouldn't need to use Spring in combat anyway...if you want complete equality as you think it should be then go design your own game.

[Luso]

Sprint is fine the way it is.

[Engineer]

They should have an advantage of running away since Mages have low armor and health.

But.. i think it shouldn't take away all tp.

I would change it so when initiating Sprint your tp ticks down slowly until you hit sprint again to stop running.

Also I would like if sprint wasn't an ability, but a natural action like jump.

[Livi]

I disagree.

DoM block themselves while casting, DoW free to move while using skill.

And this is from a guy who doesn't play as any of DoM.

[axemtitanium]

TP regen in this game is ridiculously high already. You can sprint out of whatever bad and by the time you're back in range of the boss, your TP will be back to spammable amounts.