Be brave

[PrettyPrincess]

How can there be a job and class system, it's either one or the other, what I've certainly read seems to me that they are getting rid of the armoury system altogether and are binding abilities only to certain "jobs" (The name changes seem to suggest that as well) from what I've gathered, we'll no longer be able to mix and match abilities and see other people who are also the same thing as you.

The armoury system is being scrapped, plain and simple for something more in yoshida's favor.
There was nothing wrong with it, *Sure a few things like thaumaturge could be OP, but people said out of all the classes they've played Thaum was the most fun using the current system*

Breaking it down, giving it a new name, and re-naming the classes because a few people complained about it's "final fantasy....ness" sure seems like there was something "wrong" with it, when there wasn't.

um...wtf are you talking about? Amy is right ~.~

[AsterBarnivere]

I wonder what they'd say about the armory system they loved being abolished...

*To those harping on Tanaka, you know he was the one in charge of FFXI that we XI vets love so much right?*

Producer(s)
Hiromichi Tanaka
Yasu Kurosawa (2011)

[Konachibi]

I'm gonna take a jab at some of the more stupid 'cons' these reviews gave the game:

-confusing account management - I wouldn't know, since it only took me about 2 minutes to sign up and I don't see much point messing around with it if it works, y'know?

-game soundtrack on endless repeat - and a damned fine soundtrack it is too, oh btw, aren't most/all mmo's soundtracks on endless repeat? BTW there is an audio menu to turn it off, just so you know

-Every aspect of the game is filled with dumb obstacles. - well wouldn't be much of an adventure if it was a walk in the park on a beautifull sunny day would it?

-No PVP - It's final fantasy, duuuh.

-Long load times - I've had no problems so far and my computers not that good, so yours must have SUCKED!

-Game tries to keep you away from playing it - y'wot? How? Does it threaten to come round your house and beat you up if you log on?

There's my snippets anyways

[Neptune]

@konachibi

Instead of looking at some of the more fringe criticisms as being off-base, consider that the concerns raised represent the interests and expectations of players unfamiliar with Final Fantasy. It may have taken me 20 seconds to establish my account, but I have a friend that actually hit a brick wall during account creation and had to wait for me to get on the phone to help him out. Even though these criticisms may not seem valid to me and you, they are still valid for some. And if the developer wants this game to have wide appeal and accessibility, any concerns should be resolved. Especially when they are all so simple. Even with beautiful music it shouldn't be on all the time. It should fade in and out.

This was posted in May before you got to see some of the changes in the works. However, I think that Yoshida has done a better job than you initially feared.

Actually my opinion hasn't really changed through the summer. I think Darkhold is great, but I don't think it was worth throwing the entire year into. I'd rather there be no awesome dungeon and all of these little concerns addressed. Instead they want to try to do what they personally want to do, while the main problems persist into 2012.

As for Tanaka, I have respect for the man. He's overseen many great games. He was a part of the team that created the first Final Fantasy. And Chrono Cross is certainly one of my all time favorites. However, he was sadly out-of-touch with the expectations present-day players have for new MMOs in terms of ease-of-use and completeness which is really what cost him in FFXIV's release.

I am playing Chrono Cross right now along with Xenoblade, and I have to say Chrono Cross is pretty amazing. It wasn't well appreciated in its day but compared to what's out now it's an incredible RPG, with some of the best music in a game ever.

I wonder what they'd say about the armory system they loved being abolished...

*To those harping on Tanaka, you know he was the one in charge of FFXI that we XI vets love so much right?*

Producer(s)
Hiromichi Tanaka
Yasu Kurosawa (2011)

I do wonder if some of these people with Tanaka rage (of course I am a member of that group) were XI lovers. I am an XI vet and I both love and hate Tanaka, but I can see the good and the bad.

The armoury system wasn't annoying and yet that was praised... am I missing something here?

Could you reword that?

[Konachibi]

@konachibi

Instead of looking at some of the more fringe criticisms as being off-base, consider that the concerns raised represent the interests and expectations of players unfamiliar with Final Fantasy. It may have taken me 20 seconds to establish my account, but I have a friend that actually hit a brick wall during account creation and had to wait for me to get on the phone to help him out. Even though these criticisms may not seem valid to me and you, they are still valid for some. And if the developer wants this game to have wide appeal and accessibility, any concerns should be resolved. Especially when they are all so simple. Even with beautiful music it shouldn't be on all the time. It should fade in and out.

ALL MMO's loop their soundtracks, the ones that don't are the ones people complain doesn't have enough music in. *Menu> Audio > move slider down*
Apparently there's a great deal of people too stupid to know how to do that if reviewers consider it an issue! Warcraft syndrome perhaps?

Not knocking your friend but in an account management system where all you do is answer the questions and keep clicking 'ok', I reeeeaaaally can't see anyone's point of view when saying it's difficult.

I chose those particular criticisms because they are easily the DUMBEST 'cons' I've ever seen reviewers try and use. It's like they were desperate to say it was a bad game, as if they HAD to, were forced to. "No PVP" is just downright complete and total stupidity as a con when reviewing a final fantasy game, the reviewer must have been thicker than the table I have my keyboard on right now.

Plus those reviews are very much like the ones I read before I bought this game 3 weeks ago, they listed the same cons that friend told me about, he'd heard them from his sister who had played the game.

I still bought this game.
I'm glad I did
I like it!
And I will continue to like it unless they do something incredibly amazingly stupid, which I doubt.

But seriously, some of the gripes the reviewers gave the game was just retarded.

I think one of the posters when you first made the thread hit the nail on the head "They're always going to hate this game because it's unique and it's not WoW"
ALL MMO's that try to clone WoW always get excellent reviews when they first come out. Warhammer Online had way more problems that FFXIV but people didn't kick up a stink 'cos it was a WoW clone.

The opinions were biased.

They always will be.

[AsterBarnivere]

@konachibi

Instead of looking at some of the more fringe criticisms as being off-base, consider that the concerns raised represent the interests and expectations of players unfamiliar with Final Fantasy. It may have taken me 20 seconds to establish my account, but I have a friend that actually hit a brick wall during account creation and had to wait for me to get on the phone to help him out. Even though these criticisms may not seem valid to me and you, they are still valid for some. And if the developer wants this game to have wide appeal and accessibility, any concerns should be resolved. Especially when they are all so simple. Even with beautiful music it shouldn't be on all the time. It should fade in and out.



Actually my opinion hasn't really changed through the summer. I think Darkhold is great, but I don't think it was worth throwing the entire year into. I'd rather there be no awesome dungeon and all of these little concerns addressed. Instead they want to try to do what they personally want to do, while the main problems persist into 2012.



I am playing Chrono Cross right now along with Xenoblade, and I have to say Chrono Cross is pretty amazing. It wasn't well appreciated in its day but compared to what's out now it's an incredible RPG, with some of the best music in a game ever.



I do wonder if some of these people with Tanaka rage (of course I am a member of that group) were XI lovers. I am an XI vet and I both love and hate Tanaka, but I can see the good and the bad.



Could you reword that?

re-worded.

[DNO]

the game is 100% better now then it was when those reviews were made. So Yes Tanaka sucked and Yoshi is doing 5x better.

All that matters is the game is getting better and in a hurry this summer. So this thread is Moot.

Yoshi 1
Tanaka 0

[darkstarpoet1]

the game is 100% better now then it was when those reviews were made. So Yes Tanaka sucked and Yoshi is doing 5x better.

All that matters is the game is getting better and in a hurry this summer. So this thread is Moot.

Yoshi 1
Tanaka 0

yes, some do believe that.

[Ilean]

yes, some do believe that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...d_weasel_words

[Konachibi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...d_weasel_words

I tried to read that, but all it said in my head was "If you notice this notice you'll notice this notice is a notice"