A support/brd solution

[NeonC]

Stances are a slippery slope in my opinion, people will just want their main class to have everything. Support just has no primary role in this game, so what they need to do is target the main abilities that are essential in battles and spread them among all DPS in a practical manner.

[Nooblet]

So you're going to add more things that end up with almost the same result, just less flexibility.

If you want to nerf their damage.. you should nerf everyone else so they run out of tp and mp. Then bard will be using songs. /sarcasm

The way it was designed was that bard can do good dps.. and when using support abilities, they do lower dps... which is exactly what we have. Our dps is certainly not too strong, I believe most are not opposed to a few skills having a cast time so we can't run around 24/7 uneffected.

Anyway I think your idea is pretty pointless.
Bard is dps with option to do some very minor support at the cost of lowering their dps. Which is exactly what we have. They just have a little too much mobility, and other classes have a lack of silence (or atleast a lack of a good one ogcd)

[WhiteWindHD]

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1) I appreciate your opinion and feed back.

2) How does providing more options to play a support character = less flexibility.

3) I never stated once to nerf a brds dps.

4) This game ( In my opinion ) could use more party diversity, its fine if you dont agree.

5) I'm sorry you feel my suggestion is pointless.

[Nooblet]

Sorry I did not intend to come off as bashing your idea. I just felt it was pretty similar to what we have, and it would be less flexible in that you could not use support as needed. It's more flexible to be able to dps and switch to support as needed throughout an instance rather than stay 100% dps or. 100% support for the whole time.

While I think some might like your suggestion, I think it takes away the ability to support as needed, rather than support to support even when you might only need support on 1 boss out of 4.

[RyuDragnier]

Which I like this idea, as it reminds me of the Cleric Stance, I do have a feeling we're going to see more support based songs for the Bard in the future that may make this idea obsolete. I'm actually surprised we didn't get a song that boosted everybody else's damage or one that reduced damage for everybody. Those two songs alone would guarantee we'd never be declared OP DPS wise just because we'd sacrifice 20% of our damage for them. They'd be too useful, though of course people would start complaining because we'd still be wanted in any run (which will happen no matter how much people complain).

[svann]

If bard was deemed to be a support class then I think they should have MUCH more song variety. Even if the songs are sometimes very useful, its not anywhere close to often enough. A support class bard should have songs up at all times. In EQ1 there were so many songs you needed a spreadsheet to keep track of them all. That was a quality bard. Where is the mez? Where is the lull? Where is the charm? Where is the healing song? Where is the AC song? Where is the snare? To make bard a true "traditional" support class it would have to be completely revamped. I just dont see them doing that.

To be clear - Im not asking for ffxiv to be like EQ1, but if you are going to talk about "traditional" support class then that is the gold standard.

[Engineer]

I think the best thing to do is to make Bard an actual healer while adding a Ranger Dps second job to please everyone.

Some people want more songs, some people want more dps.



You have to think, if Bard stays a dps, then the second job might be a healer or tank anyway so might as well avoid the ugly and petition for what I posted above.

[WhiteWindHD]

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Nice Idea, But I really like the idea in your sig~

[RyuDragnier]

I think the best thing to do is to make Bard an actual healer while adding a Ranger Dps second job to please everyone.

Some people want more songs, some people want more dps.

You have to think, if Bard stays a dps, then the second job might be a healer or tank anyway so might as well avoid the ugly and petition for what I posted above.

I agree with this idea. But that'd have to wait for a 2.2 or 2.3 patch before we got it, as they'd have to revamp the Bard considerably.

[Charas]

Im sorry to interrupt the "i like it so much" spree of this thread but.... Bard in FF14ARR is a DPS class, listed as a DPS class in the duty finder, with mostly DPS skills, DPS traits, scaling with Dexterity wich is purely a DPS stat. I lvled a Bard, and equipped it to play it for what it is, and not to see it trandformed into some kind of pure support class unable to play on it own who wouldn't have any place in any 4 man parties (might have a utility in an 8 man party if we were to boost other member s dps by 33%, wich won't happen).
So no, i don't want to see my Bard transformed in any way. As i posted somewhere already, i could understand if they were to unable us from learning lancer cross skills, wich would nerf our DPS greatly... more coz of Invigorate than for B4B. In counter part tho... it would be fair to let us have acces to another class cross skills... but wich one could benefit us? no clue about it.