Maybe it's just lag!

[Vivik]

I think you missed my point. But okay, so you can play well with people in your own FC. So why does it matter? Why insert yourself into this discussion at all? If you only play with people you can trust, then how does this effect you?

I didn't miss your point. It's just simply invalid because not once did I say "I do not like playing with others in a MMO". I said "I do not like hand-holding". So lets try and not twist what I said into something I didn't say. Shall we?

[Roris]

Having a good PC is instant proof someone is a promlg player, just look at all my full Darklight, AF+1 and Relic +1 and Titan and Coil wins. I'm glad my mom lets me and others be a hardcore PC player with all classes leveled so I can berate on others who don't on the internet, nevermind the glaring issues with the game's netcode.

[Kyant]

The requirements are there for a reason, but as I can see, OP has an "adequate" PC. If he shouldn't be playing with his config, then the minimum requirements must be changed.

If you are close to the minimum requirements that I'd expect the game to be a bit sluggish. I bought a computer for 1200 like 4 years ago, so today it would probably only be around 800 or so idk... but I have never had any issues with lag. I had my game set to the high performance for a Desktop, but I didn't notice much difference between the highest graphics settings on the game and the lowest, so I have my graphics set pretty low. It may be that everyone is trying to set their graphics as high as possible for their pc and that causes the lag (while they just assume its the internet lagging). I do not know where the data centers are or what my ping to the server is but there is nothing SE can do if you live super far from the data center and get a few milliseconds delay from the server. Actually I just pinged the lodestone japanese servers from ohio and got 175ms(thats a bit short of 1/5 of a second... and thats going across the world to the farthest server. When skills take 1~2 seconds to cast and people sometimes say the skill never even appeared on their screen due to lag... thats when you know for sure its your pc. I think the majority of the lag people get is from trying to crank out the best graphics from their PCs while forgetting about performance. If everyone gets the lag then its probably the server having a hiccup, but usually its just one person lagging. The minimum requirements are the minimum for the game to run, they are not for smooth gameplay.

[Xystic]

I would like people who are stating what they are using in their pc versus the term "High-end PC." That can give the community a better grasp at what might be causing issues. We also have to remember, just because some computer part is expensive doesn't necessarily mean it was built for gaming.

I can confirm as well that a minimum spec PC causes aoe and etc to appear slower making the game a hard-mode all day.

Unfortunately even if you don't want to buy a newer computer to just play this game, in the near future we will all need to anyways. You can already expect the next generation of MMOs to be even more demanding. We tend to forget that FF14 ARR was actually dimmed down for better performance. Imagine if it wasn't.

At first I didn't want too but now I will buy a new gaming pc as well. I already logically know, if I want to continue playing MMOs I need a better PC period.

[Jonny_Tapas]

At first I didn't want too but now I will buy a new gaming pc as well. I already logically know, if I want to continue playing MMOs I need a better PC period.

So true... "Keeping up with the Jones' " can be an expense; fortunately as games progress, hi-end components become standard components and the price point remains roughly the same. For as long as I can remember $600 gets you a PC that can try anything but won't always preform well. $1000 let's you play any game on normal settings.

My first PC was an AST advantage 286 MHz Processor with a 250 MB hard drive... It was $600 and fairly top of the line. That was 20 years ago... In 20 more years, who uses the term "Bytes" or even "Kilobytes" anymore? Our grand children playing FFXXX won't know what a "Megabyte or Gigabyte" is and anything with a wire on it will be strange to them.

[Ceelo_Mage]

Immediate example of Toxicity. Thank you!

So people with separate financial priorities should not be able to enjoy FFXIV ARR? I'm sure that is exactly what SE had in mind for their game.

GOod point on the toxic player comment, but....

I think someone joining a group with a PC like yours is far more toxic to the community. Making other people pick up the slack because of your inability to avoid damage in a group setting is unfair to the people that get stuck with you in DF or shouts.

Has a valid point as well, if you are hindering other players, maybe you shouldnt pug stuff and ruin other players gameplay, you should prolly do Duty Finder stuff with your friends or FC members that are willing to deal with your lag issues ?

[Reslin]

GOod point on the toxic player comment, but....



Has a valid point as well, if you are hindering other players, maybe you shouldnt pug stuff and ruin other players gameplay, you should prolly do Duty Finder stuff with your friends or FC members that are willing to deal with your lag issues ?

Except his post was more of a PSA. He stated numerous times he doesn't have issues. He was merely showing what he sees. He's memorized titan's rotations so he succeeds by pre-moving. He knows when Weight of the sand drops for instance. He also moves when he see's titan turning.

[Jonny_Tapas]

Has a valid point as well, if you are hindering other players, maybe you shouldnt pug stuff and ruin other players gameplay, you should prolly do Duty Finder stuff with your friends or FC members that are willing to deal with your lag issues ?

Good point but...

Watching the video or reading through the topic would have shown that in no way was any players game ruined or hindered. I simply displayed lag and how to deal with it.

For some reason some of you think I'm here to say: "I'm bad because I have lag issues!" as an excuse.

No.

I'm here to say: "PC performance can cause lag issues. Here's a video with some examples and here's some things you can do to overcome."

The one mechanic I was hit by was on purpose to display what happens if I don't react pre-emptively. It was a display not a derp, and none of this is an excuse. I'm not looking for sympathy... hell I'm not even looking for respect.

What I would like to see however is a general absence of disrespect and verbal abuse that has become all too common.

[reality_check]

Has a valid point as well, if you are hindering other players, maybe you shouldnt pug stuff and ruin other players gameplay, you should prolly do Duty Finder stuff with your friends or FC members that are willing to deal with your lag issues ?

Heaven forbid someone struggle in this game and people help them instead of excluding them.

[Vivik]

Good point but...

Watching the video or reading through the topic would have shown that in no way was any players game ruined or hindered. I simply displayed lag and how to deal with it.

For some reason some of you think I'm here to say: "I'm bad because I have lag issues!" as an excuse.

No.

I'm here to say: "PC performance can cause lag issues. Here's a video with some examples and here's some things you can do to overcome."

The one mechanic I was hit by was on purpose to display what happens if I don't react pre-emptively. It was a display not a derp, and none of this is an excuse.

I wanna make myself clear and say that I'm not directly stating that you yourself hinder your group. But I have seen/played with people using poor machines and not as much skill and it's not fun at all.