Paladin and Raise during combat.

[Andrien]

I think the Paladin job should be able to cast Raise during combat.

There can be times when the healers are dead in an instance battle due to AOE etc, and the Paladin in the group is unable to save the party because they can't cast Raise during combat.

Trust me, these things happen. You could be forced to wipe, and restart the battle because of this.

Players, Square Enix, what is your thoughts on this? Discuss below.

[konflikti]

I personally think everyone should be able to use resurrection item with 5-15m cooldown during combat. No reason to limit it to PLD alone.

[Jediman]

I personally think everyone should be able to use resurrection item with 5-15m cooldown during combat. No reason to limit it to PLD alone.

Then it would me more like WoW lol

[dark494]

Then it would me more like WoW lol

But items aren't spammable, there's a long enough cooldown to make it a viable alternative for good parties to be able to recover from random screw ups that aren't entirely fatal. I mean, PLD for example has Hallowed Ground. It's mostly a useless skill as it's only utility is if the healer stops healing you, or the healers need a break to raise someone else. If all the healers are dead, why can I not use this skill to give me the opportunity to pick back up a healer safely to allow the party to recover? And it has a long cooldown so it's not like it's going to save me more than once in any fight.

[Mtoto_Wamoto]

Maybe they can make certain traits cross class. Since PLD uses CNJ and MRD for cross class, they could allow us to make use of maybe 1 or 2 cross class traits so that we can use combat raise from CNJ. This of course would mean that the PLD would need their CNJ high enough to have learned the trait, but it would give PLD the ability to raise in combat.

[Mtoto_Wamoto]

Also, why give us phoenix down and the GC raise potions if we can't use them in combat? The application and use of those items is severely limited and makes them more of a novelty item, imo.

[Amas]

What then? Give everyone comfy pillows to sit on while they rationally argue with monsters until they decide to give you their loot and go home?

Wipes happen. Deal with it.

WHM, SCH, and SMN can all raise during battle. If you're worried about a wipe because your healer(s) died, take a SMN DPS.

Content is already easy enough, we don't need SE to go and make it any easier.

[konflikti]

What then? Give everyone comfy pillows to sit on while they rationally argue with monsters until they decide to give you their loot and go home?

Wipes happen. Deal with it.

WHM, SCH, and SMN can all raise during battle. If you're worried about a wipe because your healer(s) died, take a SMN DPS.

Content is already easy enough, we don't need SE to go and make it any easier.

Being able to ress people during combat with an item does not make the content any easier, it just gives you chance to recover from mistakes. You could even make the content harder because of there being additional ways to recover.

[Zoomie]

Being able to ress people during combat with an item does not make the content any easier, it just gives you chance to recover from mistakes.

In what way does making content more forgiving NOT make it easier? Can you imagine a 24 man CS group with 6 or more incombat instant rezs and THEN 24 people using items? This would allow for 30 + deaths in a fight to be remedied.

Sounds like it would make it easier to me...

[Andrien]

How many 24 man content will there be? Besides, if PLD was given combat raise, it is most likely they'll be the last resort/last ditch effort to use it to recover from a possible wipe.

As it is right now, Raise is useless on PLD. In a 4 or 8 man instance if the healer or anyone that can raise didn't dodge an aoe and dies then its their fault but, when that happens the PT automatically wipes. "Oh damn.. Healer is down, lets wipe and start over.." To me its just broken having raise on your action bar, and you cant use it to bring back the healer if you're the only one alive that can raise.

Its very rare, but it happened twice with me. As I wonder how both healers not dodge an AOE and died at the sometime. The other five party members just accepted it, and waited for the wipe. I know you can't always win them all, but a wipe like that is just sad. Its not like going down fighting, its more like I give up, lets start over.