Markets are Crashing

[Kyana]

Is this supposed to mean something to me? Because I don't really care about being lvl 38. It's a number. However, I have noticed that just about everyone bitching about how easy it is to get to lvl 50 and it should be harder to get there just so happens to be lvl 50 already. Hmmm.... I think there might be something fishy going on there.

Just something to think about:
It took me from start of open beta till start of v2.0 to get all DoW/DoM (except Arcanist) to lvl50 and all crafting and gathering classes to ~40.
Then it took me ~4 weeks to get all crafting and gathering classes to lvl50 with casual playstyle, getting 15-20% of a level for 1 single turn in leve...

So don't try to argue that leveling up is hard in this game, because it's a joke even for casual players and especially for crafting classes.
Don't make me talk about the hacks and bots used for getting lvl50 in all crafting classes in a matter of minutes (there's been some posts about this).
QUESTION TO SE: WHY ARE THESE BOTS or HACKERS STILL PLAYING?!

Fact is that crafting serves little purpose if SE doesn't change anything, because every NPC you meet tries to fill your inventory with weapons and armor.

[Begeta]

You guys do realize that the FFXI servers are still online, right? I mean, you really seem to want to play that game so bad, so why don't you just go play it. Because you seem to be forgeting one simple fact about FFXIV. IT. IS. NOT. FFXI. Deal with it.

Dude when I read your posts it's clear to me that you're reasonably intelligent but for whatever reason you have such a strong desire to be an asshole that you completely miss the point of what's being said. WE. KNOW. IT'S. NOT. FFXI. Let me help you out... It's certain ASPECTS of FFXI that are being asked for. People are throwing out all kinds of ideas in an attempt to "fix" things they perceive as wrong in the game or that they think would add to it. Telling people to go back to one game or another is just an asshole statement and I'm certain you can present a much better argument than that. Instead of going down that road, try being constructive in offering your ideas and opinions. And if someone takes a shot at you for it then by all means fire away.

[Aruseth]

Nice Troll, but I earned my levels in 1.0 when you spend over a year leveling everything you can make some money too.

[Aruseth]

[QUOTE=Davorok;1476099]Actually the FFXI system allowed people to monopolize the markets and inflate the prices for high-demand items not to mention it greatly benefited the RMT business.

These are the 2 main things they are trying to avoid in XIV and it's working pretty good imho. I am sorry that some of you are not getting as rich as fast as you would like but the Market Wards are meant to benefit the Buyers not the Sellers. As long as the Seller is still making money off the items they sell, then "it is working as intended".

Actually your wrong. Made me some Vanya Crackows. Cost to make? 370k. Going price? 500k What did they end up selling for? 325k. Why? because 3 idiots undercut the markets by 175k. So no the system doesn't work the RMT especially undercut everyone just to get their gil so their stuff sells first they get the cash and sell it for Real life money. So the free market isn't stopping the RMT.

[ilKhan]

Nothing is going to stop the RMT's. It's more about lessening the problem. If the market protects the buyer then there's less reason to have to buy gil. Then the RMT's have fewer buyers. I know people that bought gil on FFXI because the prices on things they NEEDED were so outrageous that they had no other choice. The free market system on FFXIV helps to prevent that.

[Gandora]

While im at it. Its to easy to high quality items as well. It is to easy for people to level crafting as they can just turn in items bought off markets and get triple exp from the leve quest or double triple exp from the ones you can turn in 3 times for one leve. I had to grind my exp the ol fashion way in 1.0 now everyone is a master craftsman. And fates give way to much exp anyone can go 1-50 in a day can u say ffxi abyssea ruined the game time come on where is the curve. fix all this crap i like most of the game but this stuff needs to go.

LOL, what a nice mentality here. You know you are master of your own life, if you felt the need to do it on a game that was massively a waste of time & effort (1.0) it does not concern the rest of the player base.
I did play the 1.0 & I gave up after reaching Lv22 on Armorer on my old char just because it was way too slow. as some ppl said, the persons who feel like you should quit the game.

I own my level on 1.0, cool story, but welcome in 2013 where its more enjoyable for the majority.

[renachi]

Actually your wrong. Made me some Vanya Crackows. Cost to make? 370k. Going price? 500k What did they end up selling for? 325k. Why? because 3 idiots undercut the markets by 175k.

So because you paid too much for parts to make something and lost money because you decided to place the item up for sale for less than you paid for the parts, this is somehow the fault of the game design? Sounds like you screwed up and want to be able to control the markets so you can correct your screw ups.
I seriously down its RMT that are undercutting you, its the other players in the player base that have made the items out of parts they own and are putting the stuff up for sale at reasonable prices so they can sell them in a reasonable amount of time.

[MithrasInvictus]

Leave the free market alone. It works.

Everytime that I see someone say something this asinine, my response is simply "2008." The free market only works without any regulation if all of those participating in it act ethically, which they don't.
Anyway, on topic: the prices on Hyperion have been growing since launch, and over the last couple of weeks seem to have largely stablised. There are anomalies, of course, but things are not as wild, or low, as to give the impression of a crash.

[renachi]

Everytime that I see someone say something this asinine, my response is simply "2008." The free market only works without any regulation if all of those participating in it act ethically, which they don't.

And this will matter if they ever add in the ability to post fake items for sale on the market.. or to make loans to people at interest rates they cant afford and then sell securities for those loans to protect their own money on markets that are controlled by morally corrupt individuals buying things with other peoples money so the end result is the people that lose the money had no idea their money was being used to purchase bad loans..

Luckily those scenarios are not possible in this game so thus the free market works because people can sell what they own for whatever price they want.

[Lurkios]

The market board works exactly like you'd expect a market board to work. You really think it would fly if there was a board full of things for sale and a little sign next to it saying "Sellers, do not look at prices of current sales."?

And the crafting is fine as well. Some of us would rather spend a reasonable amount of time leveling and concentrate on obtaining high level mats then spending weeks trying to make a bronze ingot correctly. I'm entirely satisfied with the existing crafting progression. A few folks having spent a lot of time on what is essentially another game entirely doing something that can be done much more easily now is not a reason to change it.