FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PLEASE FIX THIS MASSIVE LAG PROBLEM!

[Kitai]

This^ Please may i remind you all. IT IS NOT SOLELY SE'S FAULT HERE. From what i understand from everyone in this thread. In order to fix the problem you want SE to magically force a 1 way connection from your modem to their datacenters. Adding more datacenters will not always fix a problem. Just like adding more servers did not fix the DF/Instance problem we had back at launch

Uh, actually, if they had more datacenters then the routers in question would not be as overloaded, and things would probably work a lot better. That said, there are ways to resolve this without splitting up the servers physically. It all comes down to leaning on TATA to get their shit together. Something we as players can only do indirectly, and need help from SQEX and ISP's to manage.

[ntall1]

If all the servers were not in the same data center this would not be such a significant issue. I can not, for the life of me, think of one good reason to put every single user from NA/EU in the same location. Baffling.... At least if servers were located in different data centers around NA/EU ppl would just play on a server that doesn't lag for them.

[minahsaranghae]

Funny thing is that they made the lag worse by making WP/Garuda drop more Myths. Who the hell runs AK that is on it's own instance server, when you can run a WP in 10 minutes.

[Ewgraf]

It's amazing to me there is zero official response on this issue. They can't say there's no problem, because there clearly is a problem. They won't say it's being looked at because they are not trying to solve it? Maybe their solution is to have enough people quit so everyone else gets a better experience.

[Omnerabdator]

They won't say it's being looked at because they are not trying to solve it?

Sadly i think your right on the money there!

[Maza]

Long time member of the lag brigade here..... I'm gertting the 90k junk alot now too. I can be in market and not be able craft with macros, go to a different city with just as many people running around and no lag at all. It's random and annoying. I stopped leveling my cnj just before 30 because I don't want to get the grief in duty finder because of lag. All I've been doing is gather and craft but it's slowly grinding on me to not even want to play anymore and I love this game. I could just chew nails about this garbage. I have a gaming comp I built myself and the only part of it that isn't new this year is the video card and it was purchased last fall. mmo player for over ten years and a cable internet user for longer than that, NEVER had this much lag that couldn't be fixed with an upgrade of some kind. I've jumped through so many hoops to figure this crap out I feel like I should be getting a paycheck from sqeenix.... Wish I hadn't payed for 90 days already. From what I've read on these forums about this subject the SUBSCRIBERS have done more work trying to figure it out than sqeex. At least thats all I can figure because of the MAJOR lack in responses to this ongoing and growing issue.

[Arriverderci]

Yeah this is pissing me off.
I can't do shit anymore because I am having UNGODLY lag issues. I mean the delays last 10-30 seconds.
I just spam heal and hope people live.

[PSxpert2011]

For the love of god, take out Duty Finder, open dungeons and let me play with who I want to, where I want to and when I want to. ARR!!!!!!! XDD

[LSkwallhart]

Raist, I appreciate your dedicated, and you thorough response, but the fact is, the community has done its due dilligence in reporting these issues to their ISP and to Square Enix. Square is still dropping the ball. They obviously have not communicated with this ISPs to change anything. World of Warcraft had similar issues many many years ago, but Blizzard took care of it, and informed the community.

We just want a response. For the average person, none of this should be a concern. They should be able to log in, and play. I have never seen so many people complain about the same exact issue in the same game. I'm well aware that the issue does not all stem from Square Enix and it's servers, but not only are they part of the problem, they are the ones getting our money to ensure the game works, and they have the responsibility to fix it. Not only that, they have 140 pages of information to work with of user reports, and we have still heard nothing.

With that being said, I have used WTFast on a trial period, and I have seen a large increase in performance with FF14. I shouldn't HAVE to use it, but I do on this game, and this game only. Maybe this will work for some people who are having issues. The lag isn't perfect, but much better than what it was before I started using it.

[Raist]

Raist, I appreciate your dedicated, and you thorough response, but the fact is, the community has done its due dilligence in reporting these issues to their ISP and to Square Enix. Square is still dropping the ball. They obviously have not communicated with this ISPs to change anything. World of Warcraft had similar issues many many years ago, but Blizzard took care of it, and informed the community.

We just want a response. For the average person, none of this should be a concern. They should be able to log in, and play. I have never seen so many people complain about the same exact issue in the same game. I'm well aware that the issue does not all stem from Square Enix and it's servers, but not only are they part of the problem, they are the ones getting our money to ensure the game works, and they have the responsibility to fix it. Not only that, they have 140 pages of information to work with of user reports, and we have still heard nothing.

With that being said, I have used WTFast on a trial period, and I have seen a large increase in performance with FF14. I shouldn't HAVE to use it, but I do on this game, and this game only. Maybe this will work for some people who are having issues. The lag isn't perfect, but much better than what it was before I started using it.

That's just it though... the game is working well for so many people, and their connection is working well. Your post even supports that thought. Because you used a VPN service specifically designed to streamline the routing to the server, your gameplay experienced smoothed out. Now, how well that works can vary depending on how connectivity is outside the VPN as well as how well the VPN is routing and such--but the simple fact that changing your route gave you a "large increase in performance" is just providing more evidence that there is a big issue with routing that needs to be addressed that SE likely has little or no control over.

In many situations the best they may be able to do is pass on evidence of a problem to the parties responsible--however, they can't peer into your modem and investigate your specific route to find such evidence. You can get it for them though. Even then though, if they have no contract with that company and they are unresponsive, there may not be much else they can do about it. Especially if the problem stems from your ISP and their partnership agreements--once SE notifies them, that company really has no obligation to address it if SE is not a paying customer... but it's a different story if their paying customer complains to them.

SE is a company with online games originating from a Japan market, who has a lot of players in the US having problems maintaining stable communication to the servers hosting one game in Canada or Japan. Follow the money trail... a bunch of money is going to Canada and Japan for this game, not the US. By contrast, Blizzard on the other hand has a h3lluva lot more clout with various providers here in the US basically because of where they are spending all there money throughout the US (not centralized in Montreal or Tokyo), not to mention the numbers they have for their subscribers in the US as well. Keep in mind that some of their data centers are used for more than just WoW--some pull double duty for their other online games.

Regardless, it wasn't JUST Blizzard addressing that problem for JUST WoW back then either, players were actively participating in the effort on multiple fronts just like we are here. I was actively working with my ISP addressing issues with Diablo and D2 back in the day, along with a host of other players working with their ISP's to address lag in their games. Basically, I've worked with TWC/RR multiple times on these issues over the years--going all the way back to extensive testing during their Cable Beta roll out when Volition was still running Freespace--talking nearly 10 years back. That game was a great proving ground for us because it allowed us to host missions on our PC's, so it wasn't just clients to Volition we were watching--we could test it with custom client to client routes as well--and it was a space flight sim. Talk about a game greatly affected by lag....

Don't kid yourself into thinking it was JUST Blizzard that affected those changes back then. By the same token, don't discount the fact that the players working with their ISP's doesn't have the potential to affect change for the better here either.

We've already had reports coming in that things recently improved for people after their routing changed. Could that have possibly been from player interaction with their ISP's? Or was it just SE? Considering we've seen posts from players directly working with ISP's at various levels and they saw changes shortly after going through some problems the players identified and reported to those techs, I'd hazard a guess the players played an important role and it isn't just SE affecting the changes.