Dear SE: Make Game Good. (Open World NMs & HNMs)

[HiirNoivl]

From Beta I had a feeling that Odin and Behemoth would be a non-camp-able Zerg Fest. I know some people were hoping to camp these FATEs at least to compete for gold. Someone even bet me a million gil that I would be wrong. I should have took him up on it! Haha!

This is a sore disappointment for many folks who were hoping to have some Endgame Open world content. There was a huge thread on the beta forums. But there simply isn't any. And if the oncoming patch and other information is any indication there simply won't be any.

Open World will be things like Lightning and Shantotto FATEs and Ghost Train.

[renachi]

I am in the boat of no open world bosses with high end gear. Putting low level gear on them or even level 50 gear that is gear level 50 is fine. It should not be better than dungeon gear and really should just be appearance gear.

Open world bosses with good gear just leads to griefing which no online game needs more of. They should do more of the fate style bosses like odin and behemoth and give a chance for everyone that participates to get a rare appearance item... they really need to add a wardrobe option like Rift has for people to make use of their appearance items too.

[Badguy]

Lol this guy just wrecked your thread. Seriously NM/HM idea great, IF ONLY FOR VANITY.
FFXI bred some of the greediest, selfish players ive ever seen in any game ever.
What did SE expect, their conditions for spawns on some of them were absolutely Ludacris in design. FFXI was fun for a few years, but over time became nothing more than a "WHO IS TEH MOST GEARED" literally NOTHING else mattered, forcing people to fight tooth and nail for some drops that could literally waste months of real peoples lives.

I swear to this day before thief knife was something people actually got, like early years of11 , I had someone on my friends list who was camping it about daily for a YEAR, not even exaggerating a YEAR. every time I logged on she was in the same place, for a ****ing year, possibly even more.
11 is the most nostalgia goggled game ever.
Do you even know what camping leaping lizzy was like in the early days? seriously.
Easy? lol right.
Oh camping for peacock charm was just to awesome too.
I agree there needs to be more to do, but no best gear drops from open world NMs. Ever again. Vanity items is great idea though.

[Kellauchia]

I like the idea of the open world NM/HM, but to be honest.
If SE will do it, it wouldn't be soon considering they are still having some problems with Odin and Behemoth.
They are still coming out with a lot of new content too in other patches. Maybe one day we'll see it.

I've played XI too and I'll admit, it would be best if the gear was average if it were to be dropped by NMs. actually, i'd rather they have it were you'd get more money out of them since they are apparently bad monsters that need to go...kinda like the cities paying you for a job well done. Fates help with EXP and these guys can help with money? (idk, just an idea)
Though I know the markets will go crazy with that. So at the same time I would even disagree with my self :P Just an opinion.

[Gandora]

What retardation...

@ OP: Do you realise that this thread is based on your own biast point of view? World camping NM/HNMs is what made the FFXI players as bad as they were, not only because somes NMs would take a long time to pop, but also because the drop rate was riduculous "Hello Hauteclaire" add the good ol' favoritism & corruption from somes LS leaders, why would you want a new game to retro evolute?

You want competition? Do you really think the current player base could manage a fair competition on NM/HNM? And could you? when I already see the way you answer to Ravij when he/she clearly made a fair/valuable point, I really don't think you could keep "that kind of competition" to a minimum level of respect.

[Gandora]

Don't take that as an attack, but from a casual point of view this is just a game, when you use the DF you can end up with people who live on this game, they think they are better then you are because of a piece of shiny pixel, you want theses persons to have a chance of competition? This is not about someone whining and not wanting the others to evolve. Its about keeping this game fair to everyone and its what SE is striving to do at this time.

[Enthy]

I would like to see open world NMs and HMNs in FFXIV. Also add force pop NMs (where you farm a special item off a lesser mob and use it to force pop an NM). Oh, and add coffers/coffer keys. I enjoy having a reason to explore the world

[Gandora]

I would like to see open world NMs and HMNs in FFXIV.

Another member of the OP FC? will he get his mother and father to post next?

Also add force pop NMs (where you farm a special item off a lesser mob and use it to force pop an NM).

Thats reasonable to some extends, as long as the KIs drop rate is decent, why not? ZNM was good too, a good system for everyone's reach.

Oh, and add coffers/coffer keys. I enjoy having a reason to explore the world

You need such a reason to explore FFXIV? no wonder why ppl get bored if they are waiting for such a pointless thing to happen, this is equal to farming, which you could do instead to make some gils.

[Enthy]

Another member of the OP FC? will he get his mother and father to post next?

No, not a member of FC or friend of OP. You should look up profiles before you just assume and attack.

Thats reasonable to some extends, as long as the KIs drop rate is decent, why not? ZNM was good too, a good system for everyone's reach.

I also enjoyed ZMN in FFXI

You need such a reason to explore FFXIV? no wonder why ppl get bored if they are waiting for such a pointless thing to happen, this is equal to farming, which you could do instead to make some gils.

During my early years of FFXI I was a THF, I enjoyed coffer farming because it was a bonus to what I was already farming (Ninja scrolls in Castle Oz, gold beast coins in Davoi) another thing I enjoyed was Chocobo digging I hope that gets added into FFXIV too

[Gandora]

Another member of the OP FC? will he get his mother and father to post next?

I don't see any assumption, but more likely a question, followed by sarcasm..

Unless your idea of coffer farming is backed up by something worth it I don't really see the point of making XI alike XIV.

We all (FFXI players who quited XI to go to XIV) quited for a various number of reasons, however one reasons for many of us is the old age/low improvment of XI, lots of ppl wanted something new/fresh and with better graphics.

That is why, wanting to implant a system that caused so much problems in XI (NM/HNM), into XIV is full of nonsense..

Also, farming key is something, I was PLD in XI and I remember killing Demons in Baileys for hours with a THF equiping THF knife, the key took so much hours that we had to come back on more then 2 days.

We shouldn't have to go throu this again.