An apology

[EvilHippie]

I just want to compliment Chuckstable on his sweet moustache.

[Dav]

Personally I think it would be a very good idea if the groups that do sell Titan runs, were to go ahead and make a public statement that they do not sabotage duty finder runs, and will not tolerate such practices.

It would reassure the rest of Balmung that even if we disagree (strongly) about selling runs, that we can agree sabotaging runs is wrong.

Of course if a fc were to make a statement like that, they had better be ready to enforce it.

[Aleisterz]

This thread wasn't "about you", you named yourself when you replied, we specifically left your name out of it to begin with.

Basically dude, the FC leader left your name out of it. You replying like Halvaard has said, pointed yourself out, not to mention add drama. GG?

[Maenne]

Personally I think it would be a very good idea if the groups that do sell Titan runs, were to go ahead and make a public statement that they do not sabotage duty finder runs, and will not tolerate such practices.

It would reassure the rest of Balmung that even if we disagree (strongly) about selling runs, that we can agree sabotaging runs is wrong.

Of course if a fc were to make a statement like that, they had better be ready to enforce it.

Being a FC that does sell runs, we can say without a doubt, that we don't sabotage runs.

[Maenne]

however, Selling Titan wins is no better then being a gilfinder yourself.

Actually, it'd be more akin to selling your crafts on the market board.

[ClearEnd]

It's funny you mention crafting mats on the market board! Read this post!~

Lets clear things up real quick about Titan Mercing supporting Gilsellers.

You pretty much think that people buying Titan runs could be buying them with gilseller money because of the pricepoint. It is not hard to come up with 500k, even a new player that reaches 50 can get it in a few days.
Lets do some math.
Titan Run = 500,000 GIL Philo Stone Crafting Mats = 50,000 AVG (Peacock ores,potash, etc)
500,000 / 50,000 = 10 Crafting Mats
125 Philo Stones = 1 Crafting Mat
125 x 10 = 1250 Philo Stones total for 10 crafting Mats = 500,000GIL

Lets take CM for example
100 Philo stones @ AVG 35MINs
1250 / 100 = 12.5 Runs needed
12.5 * 35mins = 437.5 (lets break this down to hours)
437.5 / 60 = 7.2916666666666666667 Lets just say 8 hours
So in 8 hours of play time you can make 500K GIL

Now take WP speed runs
100stones @ 20 MINs (Although you can finish in 15)
12.5*20=250
250/60 = 4.1 HRs
Doesn't seem hard at all to get 500k, but there is a chance that it might be gil seller money so you are against it totally as a community.

Lets look at how "gilsellers" make money, they make it by using bots that instant teleport and harvest mining/botanist nodes. This includes crafting mats of all levels and crystals.
So by your logic, anyone that buys crafting materials or crystals off the market board have a chance of buying it from a gil seller farm bot. Therefore that person is being detrimental to the community right? So you must level your crafts by materials/crystals that you farm yourself personally because if not, you support gil sellers.

This has been a public service announcement, please enjoy your day.

[ClearEnd]

Close this thread
I win

[Halvaard_Vidan]

I agree with the locking.
This was not a discussion, this was an announcement and an apology that you've been derailing.

[PSxpert2011]

Your apology was not necessary but much appreciated. I too dislike primal-wins for sale. It sucks and doesn't help anyone but the one getting paid.

/inbeforelock

[LiadansWhisper]

Uh, well...

I don't really understand the hate for Titan runs being sold. It's a service that some players choose to provide other players who either don't have the time or static group to effectively down the Primal on Hard Mode. This happens in every major MMO I've ever been in. Hell, my WoW guild sells full hardmode clears after our progression is over, and yes, we charge upwards of several hundred thousand gold for a full clear, all titles, all the loot, the mounts, etc.

Now, if people were sabotaging other people's runs, that's not cool. But I seriously doubt this was actually happening.

If you don't want Titan runs being sold under the auspices of your guild tag, that is, of course, your choice. But I still don't understand why you think it is somehow "wrong." No one is forcing players to purchase this service. No one is twisting their arms and saying, "You have to do this or else!" Players with the gil are choosing to do so.

"Oh, but gil sellers!" you say. Oh please. :-\ I've hovered around 700k for quite some time, dropping down to below 500k and popping up near 800k as I spend gil on various things, and I haven't bought a single cent of gil. It's entirely possible to have that kind of fundage on hand, especially on a legacy server.