devs attitude to players

[Rumpelstiltzkin]

Lol some people are such fanbois. There is nothing to defend here, sure people can deal with lagging but that is hardly the point. Nothing is impossible in this game just because of the latency, but since very few if any other game has issues as big as this even when they are games from small companies as opposed to a AAA title like ARR players should not have to deal with it. It won't make or break the game because not everyone has the problem, some that have it are fanbois and don't care, but that still doesn't make it okay to have a large portion of your playerbase with issues that are clearly SEs fault. If they do, again it won't make or break anything, but they deserve to get all the shit they get for it and probably more.

[William_Conroy]

I can say this about the lag issue. I roam around ARR with .5 to 1 second of server lag while my girl who is sitting 5 feet to my left is getting split second, no lag response from her game raiding with 25 other people in WoW. People "get used to" the lag and then claim that its not an issue. I for one do not want to just adjust to it as if its always going to be there. I've been a big BIG Final Fantasy fan most of my life and i WANT to throw money at the series but when issues like this are built into the game...

... its just hard to want to play when I see so many other products where I won't have to deal with such a no brainer issue.

Just my 2 cents and what I assume will sooner or later be the reason I move on to another game.

[Faelart]

Just put Deadly Boss Mods in the game so everyone can STFU about server strain or bad hops on their internet connection route to the data center WHICH IS NOT SE'S FAULT. Server strain is, but i am pretty damn sure they can't be throwing $10k at more server stuff when they are worried more about pushing a content patch for player retention. New server parts costing them 1 months worth of subs from 666.6 people does not look good to corporate who is in the "Recover every last penny possible" mode, meaning Devs are on content production mode, not purchasing infrastructure and more employees to GM the game mode.

[Blaize]

To be honest I have the same Lag issues now as in 1.XX I actually don't understand why they rebuilt the engine when a good number of people experience the same issues. Confuses me tbh but hey not complaining, only time I actually "feel" the lag issue as a problem, is Monday and sometimes to a lesser extent Tuesdays when every man and his dog is spamming AK, or at Weekends when a good portion of the NA playerbase is online.

Other than that I'm first to admit it usually me being to slow or trying who whore in that extra cast lol

But SE is how they've always been, arrogant. "We do it this way...you WILL like it. Well unless there then becomes a massive public outcry then we MIGHT change something or offer insight"
Anyone who played FFXI for a few years will tell you it was the same back then as how XIV is now, the only reason FFXIV Originally launched in a state was due to the major arrogance issue.

[Masked]

Just put Deadly Boss Mods in the game so everyone can STFU about server strain or bad hops on their internet connection route to the data center WHICH IS NOT SE'S FAULT.

Yes because when DBM lags .5ms on top of the server's .5ms lag and you're still standing in crap, that really goes towards solving the entirety of this issue.../Sarcasm.

And yes it is, completely their fault.

It's more than 10k and judging by their subscription numbers, they have enough to buy new servers and buffer tech.

Production won't matter anymore when everyone leaves due to a complete lack of customer service in //all// facets of the game.

[Amberion]

.5 was in beta, it was changed to .3 after people complained about the positioning check.

They really didn't fix the problem, only reduced it slightly.

[azethoth]

The problem is people are throwing the word lag around too much when most are talking about the position update interval.
Update interval 300ms
avg latency ~100 ms
So by default most people are working with 400ms latency.
One could also factor in human response time to visual input. There was a thread on this somewhere where people were playing a response time game. A lot of the scores people were getting there were around 250ms.
So now we add that to the 400ms
Now we are at 650ms latency.

Lag is a second issue to the Update interval and only compounds it when it happens.
Sure a low end computer/ps3 will show this "feature" off more. But even on my i7 4770, gtx 760, 8gigs of ram the "feature" is in plain sight. While I have very little issues dodging anything; I fail to understand how people can not notice its a thing that SE designed into the game on purpose.

[HiirNoivl]

I play zoomed out as a personal preference already. What/why is this even supposed to help?

Keep zooming out until they fix it.

[Dragonskin]

ITT: People blame a software company for the issues that they experience with hardware.

SE uses a data center. That data center holds their servers. Those servers can and probably do have many network jumps before it gets to your client. You as the client don't care about the hardware involved and just focus on SE that made the software you use. No one sees the problem here?

Yes, the data center could be the root of all evil, but they are in the business of providing servers to clients like SE. So more than likely it's not all the data centers fault either. There are numerous jumps between your client and their server. Any one of those could also impact your experience. I can't count how many times I have had internet issues with Time Warner and they had to research to find out that some hub 5 miles away from me was tampered with and it was impacting everyone's internet in the area. Truthfully it may not actually be the data center or your ISP that are at fault. It could be something else along the network stream.

Your average gamer doesn't want to hear that. They want to take their pitchfork to the monster in their eyes. For the record FFXIV:ARR isn't the only game to have similar issues. There were reports of this very same thing with every other MMO that I can remember. Rift and SW:TOR being the last to that I remember best.

[azethoth]

Isn't FCC an American thing? I know ISPs can throttle to their hearts content here as long as they tell you about it. That's how they sell the more expensive packages which don't have it

Yeah it is. But masked is being a bit misleading, unintentionally of course.
It is only illegal to selectively throttle a specific protocol, like say bit torrent, at the ISP level, while allowing all other protocols to pass with no throttling.
They can however throttle all traffic equally and be within the law. Its much like racial or gender discrimination, but for internet traffic.
Comcast lost a big case over throttling Bit Torrent, and lieing about it.


Also I have seen a lot of people talk about bandwidth caps. While this is certainly a thing in many countries, it is not predominant in the US. There are exceptions, Comcast forces you into it and Time Warner allows you to choose to have one. Unfortunately we here in the US usually do no have a choice with ISP. They have a monopoly in most areas. Basically regulators say; Time Warner and Cincinnati Bell are the only ISPs allowed to serve the Northern Kentucky area. This is the case almost everywhere in the US. Less than a handful of ISPs are allowed to serve a given area.

They purposefully throttled network traffic based on the packet ROT.

FFXIV is still a packet-transfer.

I wouldn't say I was being misleading as opposed to pushing a technicality.

Throttling is throttling regardless of individual service.

Indeed, I only meant to highlight the nuance of that ruling. No disrespect meant Masked, you are more knowledgeable on network routing than I am.

Also Masked or anyone really. While you are doing your packet inspections can you yank out the MAC address of the server you are connecting to? Might be useful in determining if certain servers are shittier than others.