devs attitude to players

[HiirNoivl]

Guys,

Frankly, their "attitude" has been one of problem solving when it comes to lag. They gave you a better server architecture, better coding, a Canadian Datacenter. Then more World servers, more Duty Finder servers, more network load adjustments. The list will get longer as time goes by.

What Yoshi P says may not even be dictated by the devs at all. There's another huge department called "Marketing" and Marketing requires that unless problems are solved and in the process of being almost solved, no bad thing shall ever be publicly admitted ever. Yoshi P, being a gamer, likely knows how much trouble people are having on Titan and why, but as of the Live Letter of last week, nothing is wrong. "Please zoom out" until we can resolve whatever lag issue or nerf Titan or whatever.

Give the guy a break and take what they say with a grain of salt. You know, I know, and everyone knows that camera issues are not the problem with Titan. I'm willing to bet that Yoshi knows too.

[Tiggy]

My roommate was getting horrible lag last night. Failed multiple Titan runs. He then physically plugged his computer into the router and stopped using wifi. Next round was down to 15% and the round after that we won. No more lag. Moral of the story. People should stop using wifi for gaming.

[Masked]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

There actually is a considerable packet delay with Titan.

Do a pathway monitor during the fight on a cmd prompt next time you do Titan -- The packet loss and the delay is upwards of 500ms.

I memorized the fight, have actually downed Titan @ 5 times to date and I STILL get caught in effects that I'm not standing in because of the delay.

This is why you JUMP in Titan -- It resets the 300ms trace and HOPEFULLY, the server isn't lagging so it instantly registers your new position.

Titan actually has real lag issues and should be fixed.

Guys,

Frankly, their "attitude" has been one of problem solving when it comes to lag. They gave you a better server architecture, better coding, a Canadian Datacenter. Then more World servers, more Duty Finder servers, more network load adjustments. The list will get longer as time goes by.

What Yoshi P says may not even be dictated by the devs at all. There's another huge department called "Marketing" and Marketing requires that unless problems are solved and in the process of being almost solved, no bad thing shall ever be publicly admitted ever. Yoshi P, being a gamer, likely knows how much trouble people are having on Titan and why, but as of the Live Letter of last week, nothing is wrong. "Please zoom out" until we can resolve whatever lag issue or nerf Titan or whatever.

Give the guy a break and take what they say with a grain of salt. You know, I know, and everyone knows that camera issues are not the problem with Titan. I'm willing to bet that Yoshi knows too.

How about no.

As an administrator I've never been given a break. Why should theirs when we PAY for this game?

There is actually REAL packet delay on some of the instanced servers, particularly Titan.

That's a REAL issue and needs to be addressed.

[Mythrella]

It's incredible how fiercely some people will insist that their experience is the only experience.

I clicked Like, then Unlike, so I could click Like again ♥

[HiirNoivl]

How about no.

As an administrator I've never been given a break. Why should theirs when we PAY for this game?

There is actually REAL packet delay on some of the instanced servers, particularly Titan.

That's a REAL issue and needs to be addressed.

Maybe they're in the process of addressing it.

You're an administrator, then you know better than to expose every flaw and problem in a publicly broadcasted 2 hr commercial for your flagship project.

You of all people should know that until an issue is resolved it isn't discussed with the public.

If you don't know then boy, I'm not sure how you manage to do business.

[Shaone]

have you tried scanning your PC for viruses, and spyware/ Trojans?
this could be a issue also.

It's not, it's confirmed with the ISP and others having it too.

http://community.plus.net/forum/inde...,118895.0.html

And before any suggestion of my PC being under spec, it's i7-3820 on Asus Rampage IV socket 2011 mobo, 16 gb quad channel DDR3 PC3-12800, OC GTX680 (planning on upgrading or adding another when DX11 client comes out, my focus was on core component longevity for this build), high speed SSD storage only. Runs like a dream, on maximum (benches well over 10k)

(p.s. on win 8 with kaspersky, wired ethernet, and my security is on lock down and that PC is gaming+teamspeak+netflix only too, I use tablets and laptop for general use and browsing)

[Ryios]

Someone sitting in Japan 1 ms of latency away from the server they are playing can't honestly look at NA/EU players and say they are bad, if they do they are naive. I myself do not lag. But I am really tired of going to BCB/Titan every day and hearing at least 3 people in the group go "Man I'm really laggy right now, you guys are all skipping around." It get's old. It's frustrating as all get out. I'm to the point where I will be like "LFM BCB Static, PST me for my email address so you can send me your PC specs and latency reports."

Yoshi must not take things into consideration very well.

50% of Yoshis NA player Base is on the west coast, or south central US, or Europe. Less than 50% of his NA player base is in the eastern northern states. Lagging is a very accurate claim. To top it off they decided to put their data center in canada... One of the lowest percentages of their player base IMO.

EU should have their own data center, and the data center for EU should be closer to central united states.

In fact I hereby attest that I would pay 20$ a month for this game gladly (raise the sub) if Yoshi were to confrim that EU is getting their own data center and the US is getting a southern bank of servers. Keep the data center in canada for people on the east coast and closer to new york or in canada. Add a new data center in texas creating a bridge for South America and people in the southern US. If 20$ per sub instead of 14.99 or w/e it is would secure this, I would pay it gladly.

This game is awesome, would hate to see it die from the worst server architecture I've ever seen. And this is coming from an IT Generalist/Consultant so I'm not clueless about server architecture.

[Masked]

*snip*

The difference is that this lag has existed since Beta...In the same instance.

Has it gotten better? Slightly. Only slightly. The CA data center didn't deter the lag because for cross instancing, you're not actually on the CA servers. (This is common sense for any IT)

When the end user can actually sit in a CMD prompt and actually WATCH THE LAG SPIKE, you have a network issue.

When that end user has reported the issue THOUSANDS of times. You now have a priority network issue that needs to be looked at immediately.

When your Producer tells the public "Oh, we have no issues, you're just bad"...While the end user can literally put forth no effort and PROVE an issue -- You now have a group of incompetent people that can't solve their own network issues via a product that the end users actually pay for.

That incompetence needs to be addressed by actually fixing the problem. Not by telling your user base that they're bad. - Business 101.

[HiirNoivl]

The difference is that this lag has existed since Beta...In the same instance.

When that end user has reported the issue THOUSANDS of times. You now have a priority network issue that needs to be looked at immediately.

When your Producer tells the public "Oh, we have no issues, you're just bad"..

Titan wasn't in Beta....

And Yoshi P didn't say you were bad. Just like with WAR "doing more research", he spouted off his line about zooming out just as filler until the next live letter probably when End game Titan will ACTUALLY BE A TOPIC.

I actually meant the lag as an instance, not the lag in THAT specific instance. I.E. Garuda, Ifrit, AK, WP - Etc. Any dungeon instance.

Zooming out, is in essence, ignoring the problem...A problem that legitimately exists...And basically is telling the end user "We have no issues, you're just bad".

I'm on F/O - Business F/O considering I run several servers. Never lagged in any MMO, until now.

If you run a pathway monitor, you can actually witness the change in ping delay...Happen right before your very eyes.

From an admin perspective, this is extremely simple to check -- You proxy to a NA server location and connection to the game...Takes 2 minutes, literally.

This needs to be addressed, not ignored...And the sheer fact that they fail to address something so simple...Leaves us //all// in a lurch...And makes me wonder why I'm paying $15/month for an admin that's not even capable of doing his/her job.

The idea that they're ignoring the problem and need to "learn to dev" is absolutely laughable.

In Beta, they had so many issues with just the basic functions of logging in and doing content with the duty finder that they had to drop everything. People couldn't create characters, the log in queues were hideous, duty finder borked in spectacular fashion. 1017, 90k, etc. RMTs are trying to wreck the game for the forseeable future, you have issues with lag on a WORLD basis....

And you're saying that because you're still dropping packets then they're ignoring the problem? They had a veritable ketchup bomb go off in the server room and 6 weeks later, after everything is starting to be cleaned up you come on the forums, rub the packet loss with your lily-white silk gloves and say "Poo-poo, you missed a spot, shame on you Cinderella."

They're not ignoring the problem. Maybe they had bigger issues that needed more attention. They'll get to it, just like they got to the rest of the problems.

[ReplicaX]

yoshi's response to our complaints about lag in fights (mainly titan) as telling us to zoom out that we are bad players is very alarming and infuriating if this sort of attitude continues i don't see this game living on. this is not early 2000 anymore if you insult your customers they will leave.

So a Dev making a suggestion/tip and by no means stating or labeling these players as bad is now considered an insult?

A Dev asking players with issues regarding lag/P2P throttling to post their provider info in a thread that was posted on 08-30-2013 and a Sticky, so they can address these providers is an insult?