devs attitude to players

[Altena]

even if it goes against the design vision of the content/game/whatever. As for the comment they are referring to, I do see many people complain about lag on something like Titan, but if it was SE's problem, why is it only those people lagging? And not everyone?

If it's the company's "design vision" to make content scale in difficulty due to people's geographical location, then that is a huge flaw in their "design vision".

On top of that, everyone does experience this.

Don't agree? Try this for me:

Run in a straight line (do not stop), call your mount while running (or cast Esuna/Leeches), and tell me how much the bar fills before it interrupts.
Does it interrupt the moment you hit the button? No? Then you experience it.
The further along the cast bar you get, the further away from the servers you are. Even someone living next door to the servers will not be able to see it interrupt the moment they press the button, every single time. This is a design flaw.
I can tell you now, that because I am in Australia with approx 250ms, that the cast bar practically fills up nearly every time before I get interrupted. This is a whole 700-1000ms delay.

Yes the issue is related to ping, but it also related to the netcode, and how the client/server talk to each other. People with less ping will notice it less of course, but they will still notice it due to the poor netcode and check intervals. Currently there are far too many strict server checks that just don't need to be in there, and this is what is causing people's frustrations. Pushing a lot of the checks to client side (which would probably involve spending a bit more work on security measures for hacks), would practically remove this whole issue people have been having problems with.

Everyone, aside from a few, that are raising this issue on the forums are not asking for a difficulty nerf, we are simply asking for a level playing field with client side checks. I will also let you know that I have 8/9 relics, so I can obviously beat Titan. People's issues with this problem are far from the difficulty of specific fights (because lets be frank, it's not really that difficult) - it's simply the latency/randomness whether or not we will dodge something or not.

[DeceptionsWrath]

Great thing about that gif is you can clearly see the person is standing in the landslide. The delay for moving out of area of effect abilities works the same EVERYWHERE. If you're still in the red when the cast finishes, you're gonna get hit, regardless of if you aren't there when the animation plays. If you're ever expecting it to work any other way, you're getting your hopes up for nothing, because the game wasn't designed to work that way. Learn how to play WITH the delay, rather than blaming "lag".

lmao WOW are you fricking serious? Can you get anymore of a fanboy than this? That is just... wow. Learn to play with the delay... Gotcha cap'n!

[Toranja]

I lag constantly whenever there's a handful of players around me. By lag I mean actions don't register, the picture stops, my macros skip a step and lag - like a latency of some 3 seconds between my input and the output. I don't think it is because of my internet connection, but because I'm on a old PS3. Then again, sometimes I don't. I never had this problem during the Betas, and I only noticed it right after they fixed all of the errors in September.

[Nero]

There's a thread in the general forum, filled with complaints about this issue, that is getting close to 150 pages.

150 Pages filled with people blaming SE for their own shortcomings. Do not get me wrong at all, latency does exist and i am not going to deny it. But as a matter of fact, half of the people on this Forum probably do not even know how to optimize their own System or if they actually penetrate their RAM. There is a difference in blaming SE for your own faults/ISP/Connection, for being "bad" at what you are doing or the actual latency.

If people come in here and say they have 50ms latency and get hit by Titan AoE's i am pretty sure they either overload their Systems with Tasks, or have 5003242 Tasks/Programs running in the background and their System is the Source of the Problem, or they simply suck as hard as it sounds. I sit at 190ms+ and i dont have Problems with Titan to move out of AoE when they appear on my Screen. Nothing about predicting them. I do get latency/lag Spikes if i have too much shit running beside the Game, if i shut everything else down i am totally fine, unless my ISP fucks me over.

If everyone here does expect to be "good at everything" then just "Umm.. No". I can draw landscapes, people, animals or w/e without a Problem.. it is easy for me, so i don't get how other people can't draw like i can... guess what? Not everyone is good at everything, some are simple better or some are simply worse. deal with it.

[Ryger7]

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Well then how do you explain the thread that I linked which was move to accepted bugs? And howcome I've been able to play pretty much every large MMO that was released the last couple of years without any trouble, while this game is almost unplayable? You seem like a very smart person so please explain this to me. And please don't ignore the thread in accepted bugs this time when you reply.

[DeceptionsWrath]

Good @ everything Nero? This game is so dumbed down a child could play it and still win. It's not that "Oh an orange circle hmmmm what do i do?" It's a delay from when it shows up till it actaully hits. Now i did have issue with my net in the past i will admit, but everything has been replaced, even have a router/modem combo designed for online gaming. And while i play other online games i have no issues. I've been playing GTA:Online a lot lately and have no lag issues on that, so why do i get so much lag on FFXIV?

[Mayin]

OP is QQ'ing. In almost every MMORPG I've tried ppl blame dying on server lag, when it's just their own ISP that's at fault. That and bad gaming. But I suppose it's the modern day version of "MY CONTROLLER'S BROKEN!"

[Theref]

Why do people seems to be like
- It's your ISP fault, deal with it
- the problem is ON YOUR SIDE, not the server
- You suck, dodge better, learn to play with delay
- etc etc

God damn, I've played various MMORPG, with all theirs mechanic, I never see a game where dodging is so hard as this one. Learn to play with delay? Great, this is the first game where delay are considered to be a part of game mechanic...

[Nero]

Well then how do you explain the thread that I linked which was move to accepted bugs? And howcome I've been able to play pretty much every large MMO that was released the last couple of years without any trouble, while this game is almost unplayable? You seem like a very smart person so please explain this to me. And please don't ignore the thread in accepted bugs this time when you reply.

Like i have said. I do not deny the Latency-Issue, but it does affect way less people in that Thread than most people do believe. There are many different factors which have influence on the latency, which are on your side and most people simply deny that. You can't compare it to other Games, since certain Games have Informations like AoE-Mechanics Client-Side and not Server-Side, certain Games have lower spec-requirements and so on. Like i said; many different factors.

Seriously, i was about to blame SE as well on my very first Titan, but i checked out my System before i did and i found the sources. So it was on my End and i would assume a good amount of people have it also on their End. Again.. i do not deny the latency-issue, but people with 50ms or even lower and a good System, should not have problems at all. There is also an Issue with the sync of the Cast-Bar and the actual Animation, but that is a different Problem.

Good @ everything Nero? This game is so dumbed down a child could play it and still win.

If that would be true, could you explain me why i still meet tons of players in DF, which do not know how to play their class or totally "fuck it up"? I am not someone to bitch at people or leave the pt, i will try to explain and help but some seriously just do suck. For some the Game is easy, for some apparently it is not. Í said it a couple times allready and will again; i do not deny the latency-issue, but people are fast to complain and i wish they would check out their own site instead of assuming right away "must be SE".

And to the guys posting that gif:

He is staying in AoE after Cast-Bar was finished. Good try. There are some videos about it and some more .gifs, which actually show the problem, the gif above my post is not one of them. xD

[Eekiki]

I've fought Titan numerous times, both as a main tank and a gimped PLD DPS in DF groups.

I have NEVER had this "lag" people keep blaming for their badness. I rarely get hit with AoE (when I'm not tanking), and when I do it's my own damn fault for not paying attention. Why haven't I gotten a victory after a month of trying? Because I'm dependent on seven other people who for some reason always seem to be caught off guard by Titan's attacks, despite the fact that they happen in the SAME ORDER EVERY TIME. So they run around like headless chickens, get killed, then blame "lag".

Good for Yoshi-P for having the balls to speak out against the "lag is SE's fault" myth.