devs attitude to players

[xanj]

yoshi's response to our complaints about lag in fights (mainly titan) as telling us to zoom out that we are bad players is very alarming and infuriating if this sort of attitude continues i don't see this game living on. this is not early 2000 anymore if you insult your customers they will leave.

allot of people have been asking what im referring too so here it is (not a official translation btw here is my source)

y; Also lots of people are saying Titan is hard
y; This is n’t for DRG but I think everyone has the camera up too close
y; I think lots are playing with close camera
y; it’s hard to dodge the bomb boulder when you’re close range also
y; for healers and ranged please follow the good players to figure out where to run
y; it’s good to remember the pattern but it’s also good to use instinct at that moment as well
y; people asking to increase magic def but we’re going to be careful on that
y; other than that, for overall job balance

maybe could be taking this the wrong way and something might be lost in translation on both ends but what most people have been complaining about in my experience is the lag issue.

[Sephirah]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

[xanj]

its not a issue of difficulty its lag pure and simple i cant tell you how meny times ive got hit by a weight of the land or bombs when i ran out of them

[Ricebowl]

Would you rather everyone else in your group tell you that you're bad?

[ispano]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spin to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

Agreed. People think that the company needs to cater to their every whim, even if it goes against the design vision of the content/game/whatever. As for the comment they are referring to, I do see many people complain about lag on something like Titan, but if it was SE's problem, why is it only those people lagging? And not everyone?

[blowfin]

He's right though, even with a bit of lag knowing the patterns is 95% of the battle.

There have been occasions when I've been effected by actual latency issues in Titan, but to be perfectly honest it hasn't been a major issue.

[ispano]

its not a issue of difficulty its lag pure and simple i cant tell you how meny times ive got hit by a weight of the land or bombs when i ran out of them

If you are truly getting lag, it's most likely not on SE's end, unless the other 7 players said they got it too in that particular instance. I know people much farther away from the servers than me, I get 180-200ms, both of us can dodge fine. Is there a known issue with the server delay between clients? Yes, but I've never had "lag" that some seem to whine about.

[xanj]

If you are truly getting lag, it's most likely not on SE's end, unless the other 7 players said they got it too in that particular instance. I know people much farther away from the servers than me, I get 180-200ms, both of us can dodge fine. Is there a known issue with the server delay between clients? Yes, but I've never had "lag" that some seem to whine about.

I normally dodge just fine and i have downed titan several times if you were wondering, but sometimes you get on a bad instance server or something and everyone keeps getting hit when you see that they are out of it

[WHS]

I would bet people right next to the servers can get lag if the situation arrises. Internet is not perfect so why should we be? Things happen to routes even good ones from time to time. TCPIP was designed with errors in mind when it was first made. However good it was there still room for improvement. I don't see the lag as a player issue but a design one on SE's part. They don't need to make the fight easier , no not at all. I heard they were working with various ISP's to figure out things like traffic shaping and network throttling. My connection from Comcast is normally 39ms end to end. But there are those days where I will see it go as high as 4000ms in spikes. Not always and not everyday but let's just say it's been there during a titan run or prat run. It happens. I learn to live with it but it's still annoying. Nothing is perfect guys. Just because ppl can win with lag doesn't mean they should. Luck plays a factor even with good players.

[Caselia]

If you are truly getting lag, it's most likely not on SE's end, unless the other 7 players said they got it too in that particular instance. I know people much farther away from the servers than me, I get 180-200ms, both of us can dodge fine. Is there a known issue with the server delay between clients? Yes, but I've never had "lag" that some seem to whine about.

Just because it doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it's non existent. I've had lag issues when my net is perfectly fine on some instances during the game and it's usually after their patches or someone else I know will have it, but it doesn't affect me until a few days later. It's there, it's like the 90k error that happened before the last patch, I only got it once when many others were getting it about 10-20 times a day.

Edit: The thread below might shine some light on the issue.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-fix-something.