devs attitude to players

[xanj]

yoshi's response to our complaints about lag in fights (mainly titan) as telling us to zoom out that we are bad players is very alarming and infuriating if this sort of attitude continues i don't see this game living on. this is not early 2000 anymore if you insult your customers they will leave.

allot of people have been asking what im referring too so here it is (not a official translation btw here is my source)

y; Also lots of people are saying Titan is hard
y; This is n’t for DRG but I think everyone has the camera up too close
y; I think lots are playing with close camera
y; it’s hard to dodge the bomb boulder when you’re close range also
y; for healers and ranged please follow the good players to figure out where to run
y; it’s good to remember the pattern but it’s also good to use instinct at that moment as well
y; people asking to increase magic def but we’re going to be careful on that
y; other than that, for overall job balance

maybe could be taking this the wrong way and something might be lost in translation on both ends but what most people have been complaining about in my experience is the lag issue.

[Sephirah]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

[ispano]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spin to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

Agreed. People think that the company needs to cater to their every whim, even if it goes against the design vision of the content/game/whatever. As for the comment they are referring to, I do see many people complain about lag on something like Titan, but if it was SE's problem, why is it only those people lagging? And not everyone?

[Altena]

even if it goes against the design vision of the content/game/whatever. As for the comment they are referring to, I do see many people complain about lag on something like Titan, but if it was SE's problem, why is it only those people lagging? And not everyone?

If it's the company's "design vision" to make content scale in difficulty due to people's geographical location, then that is a huge flaw in their "design vision".

On top of that, everyone does experience this.

Don't agree? Try this for me:

Run in a straight line (do not stop), call your mount while running (or cast Esuna/Leeches), and tell me how much the bar fills before it interrupts.
Does it interrupt the moment you hit the button? No? Then you experience it.
The further along the cast bar you get, the further away from the servers you are. Even someone living next door to the servers will not be able to see it interrupt the moment they press the button, every single time. This is a design flaw.
I can tell you now, that because I am in Australia with approx 250ms, that the cast bar practically fills up nearly every time before I get interrupted. This is a whole 700-1000ms delay.

Yes the issue is related to ping, but it also related to the netcode, and how the client/server talk to each other. People with less ping will notice it less of course, but they will still notice it due to the poor netcode and check intervals. Currently there are far too many strict server checks that just don't need to be in there, and this is what is causing people's frustrations. Pushing a lot of the checks to client side (which would probably involve spending a bit more work on security measures for hacks), would practically remove this whole issue people have been having problems with.

Everyone, aside from a few, that are raising this issue on the forums are not asking for a difficulty nerf, we are simply asking for a level playing field with client side checks. I will also let you know that I have 8/9 relics, so I can obviously beat Titan. People's issues with this problem are far from the difficulty of specific fights (because lets be frank, it's not really that difficult) - it's simply the latency/randomness whether or not we will dodge something or not.

[Lobselvith]

Agreed. People think that the company needs to cater to their every whim, even if it goes against the design vision of the content/game/whatever. As for the comment they are referring to, I do see many people complain about lag on something like Titan, but if it was SE's problem, why is it only those people lagging? And not everyone?

True, I've done Titan 100 times and never had a lag issue,
I think when these players die they like to blame it on lag, rather then there own lack of skill as a player to Dodge AOEs, and to not stand where they shouldn't stand.

But Instead they ask the devs to make it easier?!?
When they should take the time to improve at the game, instead of asking the Devs to make it easier.

really when ppl do stuff like this they hurt the game, and the other gamers that like the challenge.

the ppl need to learn to DODGE!!!!!

[Shaone]

the ppl need to learn to DODGE!!!!!

Lucky you for never having lag or lag spikes.

Been working through issues with my ISP, had problems during peak time, and they've completed the traffic priority upgrade. It's now OK most days, but there have been times it's so bad I will be dead on everyones screen (verified on teamspeak) but alive and standing on mine for a full 15-20 seconds, instacast plumes on titan, invisible bosses etc. Oh fun one is when titan starts turning just before a landslide and stops, you know landslide is coming even though it's not showing, but titan is locked on an angle so it's safe to assume that's where it's going to come? Nope, then it suddenly show with no cast bar and instantly knock back.

But I wouldn't suggest the difficulty should be adjusted because of it, it's fine when I'm not lagging. Trouble is you can be fine in city and lagging in instance, so now I'll test with a sprint when I get in... if it takes 3-4 seconds for the echo back from the server and the status effect to appear then I know it's pointless trying titan.

I don't think it needs a nerf, I'm doing the logical thing which is working through the issues with my ISP, sending tracerts, and warning people in game if it's a bad evening. (I'm on 70 meg FTTC with traffic priority addons etc, it's really not a general problem with my connection, just this particular route is having trouble, and going on a 22-25 hop doubling back route). They have another week or two to get it fixed or I'll pay the early termination and I'll switch ISP.

Lag denial and saying that anyone who has lag issues can't dodge is as bad as blaming camera angle.

[Lobselvith]

Lucky you for never having lag or lag spikes.

Been working through issues with my ISP, had problems during peak time, and they've completed the traffic priority upgrade. It's now OK most days, but there have been times it's so bad I will be dead on everyones screen (verified on teamspeak) but alive and standing on mine for a full 15-20 seconds,

have you tried scanning your PC for viruses, and spyware/ Trojans?
this could be a issue also.

[LoLo]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

Pretty much how I feel right now. If they listened to everything they will just end up shutting down the servers again to remaking the game to FFXIV 3.0 where when you log in everything end game is sent to your mog house after making your character.

[Gramul]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

I...hate that idea. The idea of any company that would just flat out tell their customer's they're wrong and they just have to "deal with it" is terrible for everyone in the long run.

What I would like to see is more open discussion between consumers and creators. Giving us good solid answers to our questions and listen to our own ideas. That way we can have a better understanding of the game itself and they get to help develop a game we actually really want to play.

But that can't happen because of the terrible choking demon of legal issues and copyright abuse.

[Alemana]

Honestly I wish more developers had the spine to tell their players they are wrong. But I have an oldschool mentality. I don't think games should change or be updated because something is considered "too hard" or "not good enough". You do what you can with what you're given.

QFT.

Playing as an Australian I've learnt to compensate for latency issues over my MMO history. Welcome to the third world internet North America.