devs attitude to players

[Ryuko]

Main problem is people calling it lag even if it is not about lag but about how the position checks work

To be fair, there is a decent amount of lag in the instance servers on top of the natural position checks, and not a lot of people understand how your position is updated and when. A good example of 'positioning' issues is when you see someone get thrown off the ledge by Landslide even though they were never in the radius of Landslide to begin with (neither before nor after the cast started). I see this happen way too many times when the Line bombs spawn and the 'safe' zone is near the tank. -_-;;

[PoiPoiKuroi]

Main problem is people calling it lag even if it is not about lag but about how the position checks work

That is lag though, read up on the definition
There are many types of lag, controller input lag, network lag, display lag, position update lag.

[tymora]

Bandwidth != Latency

[HamHam]

The problem some of you, who are saying you have lagged, failed to see is that if it is true that there's a lag problem, then everyone in the party has to be lagging also. If it is on the server side, then everyone lags, if it is your computer, network connection, ISP and other factors, then well, it's not SE fault.

I've been in this fight and have seen people complain that they can't dodge because of lag, yet, the other 7 were fine. Except for that one person who keeps f'ing up and then blames it on lag.

[Mujen]

The problem some of you, who are saying you have lagged, failed to see is that if it is true that there's a lag problem, then everyone in the party has to be lagging also. If it is on the server side, then everyone lags, if it is your computer, network connection, ISP and other factors, then well, it's not SE fault.

I've been in this fight and have seen people complain that they can't dodge because of lag, yet, the other 7 were fine. Except for that one person who keeps f'ing up and then blames it on lag.

So how do you explain getting knocked off the platform when you dodge behind Titan for a landslide? IE.. you are BEHIND titan, landslide finishes & you're knocked off in the direction BEHIND titan.. Seriously titan isn't hard don't try to defend it by calling ppl bad, game has issues and ppl keep sweeping them under the rug. There is no skill in memorizing a pattern and running around right before weight of the land comes up.

[Aegis]

I've been in this fight and have seen people complain that they can't dodge because of lag, yet, the other 7 were fine. Except for that one person who keeps f'ing up and then blames it on lag.

What if that person is in another region (EU/Australasia)? Is it their fault for being born too far away and they should stop being bad and be born closer to SE's servers next time?

The infrequent location checks are manageable for those in NA because ping is lower, they are crippling for someone in, say, eastern europe. We've all seen people die yalms away from the explosion. Well that's where they were when the cast bar completed on their screen. They dodged it. The servers didn't update with that location in time.

[Ryger7]

There's a thread in the general forum, filled with complaints about this issue, that is getting close to 150 pages. There are countless of threads in the technical support forum. There's even one thread that sums up all these issues that was moved to ACCEPTED BUGS --> http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...s-everybody%29

How can people still come in here and claim its a l2p issue? If the game works perfectly for you, then that's great! But it sure as hell doesn't for a large part of the player base. My ping to the servers is around 100-120 and I'm using a high end computer, yet the game is nearly unplayable for me. For those of you who played WoW, I've been in a top 50 guild for several years and I know how to move out of fires, but in this game I get hit by aoe's all the time even though I'm clearly out of the areas in time.

[Nero]

There's a thread in the general forum, filled with complaints about this issue, that is getting close to 150 pages.

150 Pages filled with people blaming SE for their own shortcomings. Do not get me wrong at all, latency does exist and i am not going to deny it. But as a matter of fact, half of the people on this Forum probably do not even know how to optimize their own System or if they actually penetrate their RAM. There is a difference in blaming SE for your own faults/ISP/Connection, for being "bad" at what you are doing or the actual latency.

If people come in here and say they have 50ms latency and get hit by Titan AoE's i am pretty sure they either overload their Systems with Tasks, or have 5003242 Tasks/Programs running in the background and their System is the Source of the Problem, or they simply suck as hard as it sounds. I sit at 190ms+ and i dont have Problems with Titan to move out of AoE when they appear on my Screen. Nothing about predicting them. I do get latency/lag Spikes if i have too much shit running beside the Game, if i shut everything else down i am totally fine, unless my ISP fucks me over.

If everyone here does expect to be "good at everything" then just "Umm.. No". I can draw landscapes, people, animals or w/e without a Problem.. it is easy for me, so i don't get how other people can't draw like i can... guess what? Not everyone is good at everything, some are simple better or some are simply worse. deal with it.

[Ryger7]

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Well then how do you explain the thread that I linked which was move to accepted bugs? And howcome I've been able to play pretty much every large MMO that was released the last couple of years without any trouble, while this game is almost unplayable? You seem like a very smart person so please explain this to me. And please don't ignore the thread in accepted bugs this time when you reply.

[Nero]

Well then how do you explain the thread that I linked which was move to accepted bugs? And howcome I've been able to play pretty much every large MMO that was released the last couple of years without any trouble, while this game is almost unplayable? You seem like a very smart person so please explain this to me. And please don't ignore the thread in accepted bugs this time when you reply.

Like i have said. I do not deny the Latency-Issue, but it does affect way less people in that Thread than most people do believe. There are many different factors which have influence on the latency, which are on your side and most people simply deny that. You can't compare it to other Games, since certain Games have Informations like AoE-Mechanics Client-Side and not Server-Side, certain Games have lower spec-requirements and so on. Like i said; many different factors.

Seriously, i was about to blame SE as well on my very first Titan, but i checked out my System before i did and i found the sources. So it was on my End and i would assume a good amount of people have it also on their End. Again.. i do not deny the latency-issue, but people with 50ms or even lower and a good System, should not have problems at all. There is also an Issue with the sync of the Cast-Bar and the actual Animation, but that is a different Problem.

Good @ everything Nero? This game is so dumbed down a child could play it and still win.

If that would be true, could you explain me why i still meet tons of players in DF, which do not know how to play their class or totally "fuck it up"? I am not someone to bitch at people or leave the pt, i will try to explain and help but some seriously just do suck. For some the Game is easy, for some apparently it is not. Í said it a couple times allready and will again; i do not deny the latency-issue, but people are fast to complain and i wish they would check out their own site instead of assuming right away "must be SE".

And to the guys posting that gif:

He is staying in AoE after Cast-Bar was finished. Good try. There are some videos about it and some more .gifs, which actually show the problem, the gif above my post is not one of them. xD