devs attitude to players

[azethoth]

The problem is people are throwing the word lag around too much when most are talking about the position update interval.
Update interval 300ms
avg latency ~100 ms
So by default most people are working with 400ms latency.
One could also factor in human response time to visual input. There was a thread on this somewhere where people were playing a response time game. A lot of the scores people were getting there were around 250ms.
So now we add that to the 400ms
Now we are at 650ms latency.

Lag is a second issue to the Update interval and only compounds it when it happens.
Sure a low end computer/ps3 will show this "feature" off more. But even on my i7 4770, gtx 760, 8gigs of ram the "feature" is in plain sight. While I have very little issues dodging anything; I fail to understand how people can not notice its a thing that SE designed into the game on purpose.

[Ryios]

Someone sitting in Japan 1 ms of latency away from the server they are playing can't honestly look at NA/EU players and say they are bad, if they do they are naive. I myself do not lag. But I am really tired of going to BCB/Titan every day and hearing at least 3 people in the group go "Man I'm really laggy right now, you guys are all skipping around." It get's old. It's frustrating as all get out. I'm to the point where I will be like "LFM BCB Static, PST me for my email address so you can send me your PC specs and latency reports."

Yoshi must not take things into consideration very well.

50% of Yoshis NA player Base is on the west coast, or south central US, or Europe. Less than 50% of his NA player base is in the eastern northern states. Lagging is a very accurate claim. To top it off they decided to put their data center in canada... One of the lowest percentages of their player base IMO.

EU should have their own data center, and the data center for EU should be closer to central united states.

In fact I hereby attest that I would pay 20$ a month for this game gladly (raise the sub) if Yoshi were to confrim that EU is getting their own data center and the US is getting a southern bank of servers. Keep the data center in canada for people on the east coast and closer to new york or in canada. Add a new data center in texas creating a bridge for South America and people in the southern US. If 20$ per sub instead of 14.99 or w/e it is would secure this, I would pay it gladly.

This game is awesome, would hate to see it die from the worst server architecture I've ever seen. And this is coming from an IT Generalist/Consultant so I'm not clueless about server architecture.

[ReplicaX]

yoshi's response to our complaints about lag in fights (mainly titan) as telling us to zoom out that we are bad players is very alarming and infuriating if this sort of attitude continues i don't see this game living on. this is not early 2000 anymore if you insult your customers they will leave.

So a Dev making a suggestion/tip and by no means stating or labeling these players as bad is now considered an insult?

A Dev asking players with issues regarding lag/P2P throttling to post their provider info in a thread that was posted on 08-30-2013 and a Sticky, so they can address these providers is an insult?

[Ryger7]

So a Dev making a suggestion/tip and by no means stating or labeling these players as bad is now considered an insult?

A Dev asking players with issues regarding lag/P2P throttling to post their provider info in a thread that was posted on 08-30-2013 and a Sticky, so they can address these providers is an insult?

That thread is two months old and has 139 pages of replies from customers who are experiencing this issue, yet no further comments has been made by the devs since the thread was created. I can't believe you used that as an example. -.-

For reference, this is the thread we are talking about: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/74559-Request-for-information-ISPs-and-P2P-throttling

[ReplicaX]

That thread is two months old and has 139 pages of replies from customers who are experiencing this issue, yet no further comments has been made by the devs since the thread was created. I can't believe you used that as an example. -.-

For reference, this is the thread we are talking about: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...P2P-throttling

Live Letter Oct. 19, he stated once again from a question regarding "EU lag issues". To submit your ISP info to that specific thread.

I used that example as it was mention in the most recent Live Letter. Relax.

y; we have lots of talk about this, it’s said it’s wifi or ISP and right now we’re working on it but as community reps asked on forums, please give details on which ISP you’re using and other small details. So we can check into them, and for some we’ll be contacting directly to test different methods to try and resolve this issue.

[Shaone]

That thread is two months old and has 139 pages of replies from customers who are experiencing this issue, yet no further comments has been made by the devs since the thread was created. I can't believe you used that as an example. -.-

Yep they really do seem to be slacking on this. My ISP is doing everything they can, but strongly believe the issue is -somewhere- upstream from from. Just did some digging around to find SE's ISP for that data centre (pretty certain since it has an endorsement from Eidos on their homepage, but I'm not going to name them). Worrying.

[Shyluv]

Where was it that he said this? Last live letter? Is there a translation of it?

[Dragonskin]

Meh, if anything it's the players that have terrible attitudes and the devs that usually get abused. If a dev tells players L2P then I can't help but give the devs props unless it's clearly something THEY can control. Even if the issue is within their product it would be down to the data centers that they use, which is a variable outside of their control. All people have issues with servers at some point. While I have occsionally experienced lag noticeable in situations like Titan it's not usually consistant. It could be any number of variables between my modem and their data center. It's not like when I log into FFXIV that I magically get some direct feed straight to their data center. "Fixing" the issue is a lot more complicated than your average player can comprehend.

[Pseudopsia]

yoshi's response to our complaints about lag in fights (mainly titan) as telling us to zoom out that we are bad players is very alarming and infuriating if this sort of attitude continues i don't see this game living on. this is not early 2000 anymore if you insult your customers they will leave.

I like it that Yoshida speaks his mind because I get his honest opinion, however it's not good business. I'm sure he gets yelled at by his PR team.

[Cobrauh]

What you have to do b/c of the spell lag is preemptively move before they come. You need to know what's coming next. And if you happen to forget what's next. It's probably plumes. SO just start moving. If you are moving before the plumes come, you are 99% more likely to not even be in one when they sprout. I had to learn the fight this way. Is it annoying. Yes. It isn't an easy fight, but if you can just be moving before he casts, you are gonna dodge everything.