Thread: Warriors Have to Wait Until 2.1...

Originally Posted by Mudtrumpet

So the coil group I'm in uses a WAR and we 1 shot clear through Turn 4 every week. So maybe its not that WARs are bad but players that play WARs are bad.

Its common knowledge that War is the more complicated tank, its just that people have decided to use pld more because they are able to bypass a certain mechanic in coil that was meant to kill them. I'm thinking the Wars that make it to coil or heck, even Titan are on the higher end of skill level anyroad, so skill shouldn't be a problem at that point

Am I the only one that thinks if you expect to play a tank role in end game, have both? Same with healers, have both SCH and WHM.
Sure, I feel sorry for WAR mains, but that's what the armory system is for, class stacking will always exist, so if you enjoy playing a certain role, you'd better be able to fit both shoes.

I've done titan, got my relic, done turn 1, but ended up dying with 5 stacks of steel. Our pld was able to tank the merged snake for the rest of the fight with the snake sitting at 8 stacks. I can't do that. I'm the best at what I do, but I just can't prevent the damage or heal it all back up to compensate.

A warrior needs top tier heals to stay alive. Pld does not. He has cooldowns to bypass the extra stacks that would kill a war outright. Inferior warrior cooldowns and tools fail to make a healer's job easier. It in fact makes it harder to keep a warrior up when inner beast is used, and smart wars know to only use if infuriate is up, but we take too much damage within that minute and can't afford to IB.

Major oversight. Needs to be fixed to let us play on equal footing with paladins and with our friends.

I'd laugh my ass off if and when this patch or the next will have WARs totally overpower PLDs in every way and all those suckers who chose the "safe bet" tank gets ignored for the next round of endgame content.

Originally Posted by Amyas

Its common knowledge that War is the more complicated tank, its just that people have decided to use pld more because they are able to bypass a certain mechanic in coil that was meant to kill them. I'm thinking the Wars that make it to coil or heck, even Titan are on the higher end of skill level anyroad, so skill shouldn't be a problem at that point

Oh please.

First week back playing the WAR, and first attempts tanking in Coil. While we may not be able to do everything that a PLD can do, we can hold our own in Coil. Would you ever run 2 WAR, well not till 2.1, but WAR/PLD works just fine for now.

As many have said WAR is a bit harder than PLD i think, and this along with the cappy cooldowns WAR vs VS what PLD have has lead to the community shunning WAR to be much worse then they are. They do need a boost, and we get it soon enough. As with every game, balance changes will wait till next major update unless its 100% game breaking, then they will hotfix a temp fix to hold over till next patch (given many of us have been able o tank in coil, the state of war vs pld isnt game breaking, and thus we wait).

Originally Posted by Sidious

Oh please.

I play both Paladin and Warrior in the Coil. Warrior is the more complicated Job of the two (in an extremely fun and satisfying way).

the problem with warrior is the basic design of how they tank and it is a real problem not just people being nitpicky(but they are being overly nitpicky too which is not cool)

basically a paladin tanks by negating damage before it actually affects them
while a warrior tanks by soaking damage and restoring it more quickly

not taking the damage at all is easily the better choice to taking it all and then recovering it afterwards. It just leaves so many fewer moments of vulnerability

and there are some fixable mechanical errors too.
Like the extra hp from defiance doesn't really help tank at all, the healing buff from infuriate is where the damage mitigation is coming from so in order to not be squishy as a warrior you can never use your infuriate. If the healing buff was part of defiance it would make it more in line with shield oath

and of course the warrior mechanics of self healing to absorb more damage just don't hold up to a paladin defensive buff reducing damage over a period of time. One instant burst of mitigation is just not suited compared to sustained mitigation

and then there are other things like paladin gaining parry and shield block from stats while a warrior only gets parry

Originally Posted by Sidious

Oh please.

So are you saying War is easier to play than pld, or that Wars that make it to coil are not skilled...?