Thread: Warriors Have to Wait Until 2.1...

Am I the only one that thinks if you expect to play a tank role in end game, have both? Same with healers, have both SCH and WHM.
Sure, I feel sorry for WAR mains, but that's what the armory system is for, class stacking will always exist, so if you enjoy playing a certain role, you'd better be able to fit both shoes.

Originally Posted by EmSix

Am I the only one that thinks if you expect to play a tank role in end game, have both? Same with healers, have both SCH and WHM.
Sure, I feel sorry for WAR mains, but that's what the armory system is for, class stacking will always exist, so if you enjoy playing a certain role, you'd better be able to fit both shoes.

The overwhelmingly potent counterargument to this is the myth cap. Having a myth cap makes it so you have to specialize in one character class for the purposes of minmaxing. If we had myth caps for each job, I would agree with you, but because the opportunity to minmax multiple jobs to the same degree at once isn't there, it means it wasn't designed to be a failsafe method of getting through content in the event of a job imbalance.

Originally Posted by EmSix

Am I the only one that thinks if you expect to play a tank role in end game, have both? Same with healers, have both SCH and WHM.
Sure, I feel sorry for WAR mains, but that's what the armory system is for, class stacking will always exist, so if you enjoy playing a certain role, you'd better be able to fit both shoes.

I agree wholeheartedly. If you're serious about your endgame tanking and/or healing, it's not difficult to have both classes at 50. All of the gear except your weapon overlaps, so it doesn't even cost that much more time or money farming. Having said that, my warrior has been the backburner for weeks now due to the disparity between the classes. I'll likely finish it up well before 2.1 hits, but I don't feel rushed for it at the moment given how little desire there is for warriors in general.

I've done titan, got my relic, done turn 1, but ended up dying with 5 stacks of steel. Our pld was able to tank the merged snake for the rest of the fight with the snake sitting at 8 stacks. I can't do that. I'm the best at what I do, but I just can't prevent the damage or heal it all back up to compensate.

A warrior needs top tier heals to stay alive. Pld does not. He has cooldowns to bypass the extra stacks that would kill a war outright. Inferior warrior cooldowns and tools fail to make a healer's job easier. It in fact makes it harder to keep a warrior up when inner beast is used, and smart wars know to only use if infuriate is up, but we take too much damage within that minute and can't afford to IB.

Major oversight. Needs to be fixed to let us play on equal footing with paladins and with our friends.

I'd laugh my ass off if and when this patch or the next will have WARs totally overpower PLDs in every way and all those suckers who chose the "safe bet" tank gets ignored for the next round of endgame content.

First week back playing the WAR, and first attempts tanking in Coil. While we may not be able to do everything that a PLD can do, we can hold our own in Coil. Would you ever run 2 WAR, well not till 2.1, but WAR/PLD works just fine for now.

As many have said WAR is a bit harder than PLD i think, and this along with the cappy cooldowns WAR vs VS what PLD have has lead to the community shunning WAR to be much worse then they are. They do need a boost, and we get it soon enough. As with every game, balance changes will wait till next major update unless its 100% game breaking, then they will hotfix a temp fix to hold over till next patch (given many of us have been able o tank in coil, the state of war vs pld isnt game breaking, and thus we wait).

the problem with warrior is the basic design of how they tank and it is a real problem not just people being nitpicky(but they are being overly nitpicky too which is not cool)

basically a paladin tanks by negating damage before it actually affects them
while a warrior tanks by soaking damage and restoring it more quickly

not taking the damage at all is easily the better choice to taking it all and then recovering it afterwards. It just leaves so many fewer moments of vulnerability

and there are some fixable mechanical errors too.
Like the extra hp from defiance doesn't really help tank at all, the healing buff from infuriate is where the damage mitigation is coming from so in order to not be squishy as a warrior you can never use your infuriate. If the healing buff was part of defiance it would make it more in line with shield oath

and of course the warrior mechanics of self healing to absorb more damage just don't hold up to a paladin defensive buff reducing damage over a period of time. One instant burst of mitigation is just not suited compared to sustained mitigation

and then there are other things like paladin gaining parry and shield block from stats while a warrior only gets parry