I was able to DF my AK's in full AF np. I was able to get an ifrit bow though so that made it easier.

When I and most of the people I've partied with use DF I don't expect perfection. I don't expect to kill the wall before the bees spawn. Hell I've had to explain how to tank AK step by step every step of the way today. Twice.

Now, before I had relic and DL, did I get into shout groups? No. But I did just fine using DF or running with friends/FC members. I had other things to do while queued for 30 min for AK/CM (WP/AK since the hotfix, but I don't really need to DF much anymore).