How would you design Red Mage in FFXIV?

[Arasiel]

Nice! Great concepts

[Kobolt]

Red Mages were never seen as a tank, but more as a damage dealer. The armor they wore wasn't as par as say a tank, so red leather on par with a Dragoon would probably fit the class exceptionally well. Its main attributes for damage stats would be used (Mind, Int, and Str.), but not stats that could increase health or mana (Vit, and Pie.). a good way to make this class a true jack would be to release it with 3 distinct sets of armor, each giving a strength between Damage Dealing (Melee or Casting), or off healing. The Rapier would be an excellent choice, as you can see the red mage as a french musketeer of sorts. The red mage should not use a shield for the sole purpose that a shield would slow down their rapier abilities and it leave their off hand to cast magic.

to Acquire the Red mage would not need an entire new class, but by using the ones we already have. if you are able to get a Gladiator, White mage, and Black mage to 30, then you should be able to unlock the Red Mage. i was thinking about level 15 for all three, but then I realized that it wouldn't be much of a challenge to get this exotic class in your roster.


Some of the spells I would generalize with the red mage will have tenancies of White Mage, Black mage, and Gladiator. Most of their spells would be instant, but also have a cool-down. these are a few examples of spells. they hit hard, but of course thier coolsowns are somewhat long and include status effects.

Flurry: Quick succession of 5 rapier stabs, potency of 140. with a 15% chance of at least one of those stabs to crit. The trait "Pinpoint" will allow the crit to be applied for each stab instead of just one and increase its rate by 5%.

En garde: increases the Red Mages Parry rate by 40% for about 10 seconds. great in case you pull aggro or are expecting to be hit hard.

Back Draft: a Fire spell that damages enemy within a cone in front of the Red Mage. its instant with a 30 second cooldown with a potency of 170. a trait called hot air will drop the cooldown to 20 seconds and educe a 10 second burn DoT

Permafrost: Cause Ice magic damage at potency 150. and slows the movement speed of target by 20% for 10 seconds. this has a 60 second cooldown. Trait Cheer cold will increase the effect to include attack speed.

Empathy: A heal with a potency of 250. this heal is instant, but has a cool-down period of 10 seconds. the trait generosity with include a shield that mitigates 10% of max health for 60 seconds.

These spells can cross faction to their respected roles (WHM and SCH can get empathy,BLM can get Backdraft, and GLD can get en garde as an example.)

the MNK/DRG ultimate will be used for the Red Mage, or an entirely new one all together should be designed.

[ArmorKing]

I see the new RDM as a spellsword that uses self skillchains and magic bursts. Something like WS > WS > Spell.

Their combos would set up a temporary weakness to an element so that a nuke or enfeeble goes through with little resistance.

They could have a choice of offhand: shield or orb. The shield would raise defensive and melee stats, the orb would raise magic defense and attack. A skill would allow them to switch this on the fly, bypassing the gear swap limit in combat.

They could also self skillchain into a buff or heal, increasing its potency. However, as this is not as optimal as a true healer; they would not threaten main role healers.

Seeing as they would have an impressive list of spells possibly making them OP, I suggest a Limited Action Set like how BLU had in XI. Each job quest would unlock multiple spells, but they would have only 10 slots for spells at 50, same as base classes. This would force them to chose a set appropriate to the content.

Ideas for spells(mostly rehashed):
Enfeebles: Gravity, Slow, Blind, Bind, Stun, Pacify, Def Down, Atk Down, Dispel
Nukes: Same as THM and CNJ, minus one tier
Buffs: Haste, En-spells, Element Spikes (dmg or status reflect)
Heals: Same as CNJ minus one tier

[Spyrit]

Ideas for spells(mostly rehashed):
Enfeebles: Gravity, Slow, Blind, Bind, Stun, Pacify, Def Down, Atk Down, Dispel
Nukes: Same as THM and CNJ, minus one tier
Buffs: Haste, En-spells, Element Spikes (dmg or status reflect)
Heals: Same as CNJ minus one tier

You forgot barspells, refresh and paralyze. Skip the nukes and heals, rdm should be support.

[kollwitz]

fencing is nice and all but what i really want to see is this:

Musketeer > Red Mage

[Musashidon]

red mage has no spells of its own it's a fighter/whm/blm, pls stop giving it skills it doesn't have.

[Vitto011]

-DoubleCast type. Role: Hybrid.

[Duelle]

red mage has no spells of its own it's a fighter/whm/blm, pls stop giving it skills it doesn't have.

The problem is that there's no other way for it to actually work if you want it to be a melee+magic job.

[Musashidon]

The problem is that there's no other way for it to actually work if you want it to be a melee+magic job.

i personally (and this is just my personal opinion) would rather have no redmage than some randomly made class with redmage job crystal slapped onto it.

redmage is a job that will never be mmo friendly because if made to well it would be the only needed class and if not made well enough it will be useless, then you got redmage with things a redmage wouldn't have and i don't want that at all.

[Duelle]

i personally (and this is just my personal opinion) would rather have no redmage than some randomly made class with redmage job crystal slapped onto it.

When you make the transition to MMORPG from RPG, there are concepts that will have to adapt or be dropped entirely. I've seen what mimicking FF1's Red Mage got us, and being told I was a hybrid only to find myself spamming the same 3 spells while having token enfeebles AND a bad reputation for having the potential to solo content that was not intended to be soloed simply tells me the job concept was not adapted. I know it can be done because I have seen properly designed melee/magic hybrids at play, so it's a matter of giving feedback, suggestions and in the case of our beloved pimp-hat-wearing magic fencer, pray that FFXIV's developers are aware of the discussions, threads and ideas for RDM design that have been tossed at SE since 2007.