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Thread: Best Monk Set?

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    I think the best set will be:
    Allagan Wep
    Allagan Helm
    Allagan Chest
    Allagan Gloves
    Allagan Belt
    AF2 Pants
    Allagan Boots
    Allagan DRG Neck
    AF2 Earrings
    AF2 Bracelet
    Allagan MNK and DRG rings

    This gives us a total of 469 accuracy, enough to cap off with food, 488 str, 490 crit, 301 det, and 373 skill speed. Who knows if my math is correct. I much prefer Det and Crit to skill speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiji View Post
    Well, Selene is 30% increase so the more SS you have the better! Honestly it's all opinion, but I stand by Determination followed by whatever skill speed you want while feeling comfortable in your rotation. Crit last for me.
    It's only "opinion" until everything gets properly calculated and simulated. Then there will be a clear hierarchy of stats. All information thus far has shown that SS gives the lowest return by a considerable margin.
    Crit and determination is up in the air, but most of the stat calculators put crit ahead. There is an error of margin, but it's becoming less and less as people perfect the algorithms.

    Stats are math, and math is not opinionated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
    It's only "opinion" until everything gets properly calculated and simulated. Then there will be a clear hierarchy of stats. All information thus far has shown that SS gives the lowest return by a considerable margin.
    Crit and determination is up in the air, but most of the stat calculators put crit ahead. There is an error of margin, but it's becoming less and less as people perfect the algorithms.

    Stats are math, and math is not opinionated.
    Stats are math but often they are not applied to real situations. Simulations don't properly calculate fight mechanics, so they can show the correct stats for a "tank and spank" or target dummy fight. These typically don't exist.

    Not saying you are wrong, I'm just not 100% sold on the answers yet
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    Allagan leg is way better than AF2. Monk never had acc issue in coil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yiell View Post
    skill speed is needed in end game dungeons since you move alot. Loosing GL stacks are unavoidable.
    Thats true to some extent, but the returns on skill speed just don't make it viable. 100 skill speed will give you 4% haste whereas 100 crit will give more than 8% critical chance. (also TP starvation is a thing in coil)

    Quote Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero View Post
    Also was the relic se just relic pieces only?
    It was relic weapon only, all other gear was included.

    Quote Originally Posted by neoreturn View Post
    Allagan leg is way better than AF2. Monk never had acc issue in coil.
    This is a set of gear, not a single piece. The program I wrote to generate this takes into account every permutation of gear choice and weighs them to determine the best set.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xell View Post
    This gives us a total of 469 accuracy, enough to cap off with food, 488 str, 490 crit, 301 det, and 373 skill speed. Who knows if my math is correct. I much prefer Det and Crit to skill speed.
    The only sets that were considered were those that provide a minimum of 131 accuracy, as capping with food has already been found to be a worse choice than being capped and using other foods to boost stats. Also, why are you counting strength? You are aware that allagan and af2 provide identical stat points, right?
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    Last edited by Aeoliana; 10-23-2013 at 04:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeoliana View Post
    The only sets that were considered were those that provide a minimum of 131 accuracy, as capping with food has already been found to be a worse choice than being capped and using other foods to boost stats. Also, why are you counting strength? You are aware that allagan and af2 provide identical stat points, right?
    Haha, yeah. It was silly of me to include str.

    As for the food, I guess I didn't look very deeply into that. I agree, buttons are better than accuracy food. I would then swap in the monk AF2 chest for 10 extra accuracy. Pre-food this would give us 479 acc, 466 crit, 301 det, and 397 skill speed. Post food it would be 479 acc, 474 crit, 316 det, and 397 skill speed. Essentially just swapping out some crit for more determination.
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    Its better to just use the raw stats off the gear...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeoliana View Post
    Its better to just use the raw stats off the gear...
    Sorry. 138 Accuracy, 115 crit, 99 det, 56 SS. Pre food. Comparable to your 2nd set, that's +5acc(Irrelevant if 131 hits the cap) -29crit, +15det, -2SS.

    I guess it's hard to say what's actually better (unless the stat weights are correct, which I'm not sure they are). I prefer det, but probably not quite 2:1 over crit. I concede my set, I prefer yours. Actually I prefer your first with 32 SS.
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    If it makes you feel better, I didn't make it by hand, I let my computer consider all possible sets, so yours is in the list somewhere!
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    Nope, still going to go cry in a corner. If I can't beat a machine, what good am I?
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