Healer Aggro

[Maelwys]

I would like to see the ability for WHM's to cancel the Regen spell to avoid aggro from fresh pulls.

That.

Also, make it apply to Scholar's fairies.

As a Tank, I can click off Regen (providing that I'm playing on PC not PS3) but I can't do a damn thing about the stupid fairies pulling hate occasionally at the start of the pull... >.<

*FLASH, FLASH, FLASH*
"Dammit Eos, come back here with that Tonberry!"

[Sinaloa]

tldr

Either the tank uses the wrong skills or the healer does.

Spamming aoe and upping hots on targets at full health will draw aggro quickly. Some tanks can hold even that. Don´t expect it.
Ofc there may be DD´s not avoiding voidzones forcing you to heal. Not quite true. I can be more benifitial for the group to let them at 30%. They will play more careful and you can still soloheal them up as the rest of the group is stable. If they die it can be even better for the group (very rare though)

That´s the reason many ppl heal with mouseover while keeping the enemies in their target. It´s easier to recognize if it is save to heal stupidity. But you´ll get a feeling for that anyway and with some equip you won´t care about nonboss aggro anymore.

[Pharazon]

Healer aggro is just fine. It makes the tank and the healer have to actually play the game. You can't mindlessly spam heals and get there and the tank cant do two rotations and go make a sandwich.

Healer aggro is a one for one basis. You heal for 1k then you generate 1k of threat. Tanks build aggro the same but based on dmg x the threat modifiers on their attacks. This creates a situation where when you heal you want to make sure they are missing at least that much health because otherwise all your getting from your overheal is aggro you don't need. Keeping a tank topped off in dungeons (Coil is different and as such requires slightly different approach to healing) is a bad idea and you should be learning how much dmg they are taking from fight to fight so you can heal them as efficiently as possible. If the tank doesn't handle aoe pulls well then you are going to be dealing with mobs regardless of efficient you are.

[Maelwys]

Healer aggro is a one for one basis. You heal for 1k then you generate 1k of threat.

Actually it's 1 enmity per point of Damage and 0.5 enmity per point of Healing.
Meaning you can heal twice as much as someone else damages the mob for the same amount of "hate".

But the rest of your post still stands. (Overhealing is baaaaad!!)

[Pharazon]

Actually it's 1 enmity per point of Damage and 0.5 enmity per point of Healing.
Meaning you can heal twice as much as someone else damages the mob for the same amount of "hate".

But the rest of your post still stands. (Overhealing is baaaaad!!)

Oops! I had an older set of theorycrafting bookmarked when I did my post. Thanks for pointing that out since now I have my bookmark updated. lol

[LiadansWhisper]

You need to stop thinking of Regen as a healing spell, and start thinking of it as a "buffer" for the tank's health.

Sure, you can use it on other members of your party/raid, but in general, it's meant to be sitting on the tank, making his/her health spike less.

Personally, when I'm healing as a White Mage, I only use Regen on packs of at least 2 mobs, and I stop putting it out once the second-to-last mob is nearly dead. That way, it won't be of use to the tank during the highest point of damage (when there's multiple mobs on him) and won't be on the tank when the last mob dies (thus enabling us to move to the next pack of mobs more quickly).

[SlopOrion]

Yeah, pretty sure it's only a WHM thing. I think it's because too many WHM get Regen/Medica II happy.

Actually had a WHM casting Medica II before/during Heart phase on Titan, and couldn't figure out why he was pulling so much threat. It was pretty much every geocrusher/tumult he was casting Medica II, like even when it was only 1-3 stomps and we were already shielded with Succor and Sacred Soil.

I've also seen a lot of WHM spamming Cure II and III while also doing Medica and Medica II during CM runs.

On side note, since this is about aggro. I've never seen any class run around more when they get hate than WHMs. Last fight in CM (when she summons the adds to one targeted person), almost every WHM I've seen seems to not understand that they can simply run to the boss and spam heals on themselves. I think we need to get the knowledge out that it's much easier to run to the tank than to run around like an idiot.

[ijuakos_xqwzts]

I've been seeing a lot of this lately. If I get a good tank, I can heal like mad and never steal agro. Today, I've been getting nothing but bad tanks. They either don't flash or only flash once. In short time, the adds are attacking me. The DPS try to help get them off (probably a bad idea), end up getting attacked, I'm healing them now, generating more threat.

If I have a tank that flashes a couple times at the beginning and actually keeps an eye on agro, there's no problem with threat from my heals.

[Noni]

Everything about WHM is situational. There are no rules that apply every single time. By virtue of the job, you have to use your skills and instincts to decide quickly what the best decision is for your party based on, again the situation. I would love to have macros but personally find them kind of useless as I am always finding new and better ways to optimize my healing while keeping the party alive. My best advise to any WHM is to practice, see what works and what doesn't. Then use it what you learned to be better.

[Jyoeru]

I wrote for you a poem.

Stoneskin.

A few seconds after pull, stoneskin.
A few more, stoneskin + regen.
Stoneskin in the morning.
Stoneskin in the night.
Except for most bosses
Stoneskin saves a life.
Stoneskin don't do that
Aggro you dislike
(It can, but not really)
So stoneskin all the time.
Stoneskin
I love you
I really do
I do, I do.
I love you,
Stoneskin.
More than
Cheetos
Because
Cheetos
Give me
Adipose
Aggro.
Stoneskin:
<3