Why You Shouldn't Use Fracture

[Genesiser]

I must be an mmo genius because I figured this out without putting much thought in it. The only time I use it is when I have berserk and internal release up and when they are about to run out. Its pretty obvious when you look at the tp cost along with the hardly increase potency.

[Teleniel]

If threat is a problem ... you will not be using Fracture.
If you are focusing on DPS ... you should be using Fracture, it is not much of an increase but if you're not running out of TP then it's not hurting anything.

One point in it's favor is it's animation is very short, which will allow you to easily activate an ability during the GCD
OR
Fracture animation will not delay your Stun by being stuck in a long animation.

Is it a GREAT skill? ... no, but it does have some uses.

[SofiyaGlaston]

First to address the BB>BB>SE combo.
In order to maintain the buffs from the SE combo at 100% uptime, you'd actually have to do BB>SE>BB>SE (As Storm's Eye only has a 15 second time, with GCD being ~2.5 seconds). But moving on.

Factoring in Maim and SE buffs (discluding Berserk because its buff contributes to a portion of damage equations) Each set has potencies/gcd as followed:

Fracture: 134/240** (total 374/gcd)

BB combo 277.2/gcd

HS 198
SS 264
BB 369.6

SE combo 268.4/gcd

HS 198
Mm 250.8
SE 356.4

Using just the basic Potency per GCD and not worrying about TP usage (as unless the fight is incredibly long, there's not much to worry about) Fracture is a large amount of damage and should be used regularly..
Basically: BB>SE>Fr>BB>SE>BB>SE>Fr

**Fracture's dot does not gain benefit from the SE buff as it is not considered "Slashing"

[Maelwys]

First to address the BB>BB>SE combo.
In order to maintain the buffs from the SE combo at 100% uptime, you'd actually have to do BB>SE>BB>SE (As Storm's Eye only has a 15 second time, with GCD being ~2.5 seconds). But moving on.

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Using just the basic Potency per GCD and not worrying about TP usage (as unless the fight is incredibly long, there's not much to worry about) Fracture is a large amount of damage and should be used regularly..
Basically: BB>SE>Fr>BB>SE>BB>SE>Fr

**Fracture's dot does not gain benefit from the SE buff as it is not considered "Slashing"

Yes. I applied the SE buff to everything except for the SE combo (the SE buff fades as you start up that third combo) and Maim to everything (because it would have 1 GCD crossover).

The explicit rotation that I used was BB>BB>SE>Frac>BB>BB>SE>BB>Frac>BB>SE>BB>BB>Frac>SE. It maintains the highest uptime on Fracture without breaking combos. It also maintains the buffs/debuffs as previously mentioned.

Not sure why you would give such advice. If you want to maximise your potential you should be maintaining Fracture in all single target encounters that you don't hit 0 TP in.

Basically, Fracture provides a marginal improvement *at best* while causing a noticeable increased drain to your resource pool. Using Fracture is, for all intents and purposes, electing to *not* use another of your attacks later on down the line and replace it with an empty GCD.

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

[SofiyaGlaston]

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

Not sure what you're implying.. But either way. Each of retorts to the OP have legitimate means. Fracture is higher damage and should be maintained.

@The OP's rotation. It isn't efficient to lose the SE combo's buffs reapplying it (you wont have maim or SE actually active during any of the 3 attacks) as BB's buffed potency/gcd is not 32%(total increased damage given by the buffs) higher than SE's unbuffed. thus you are losing out on yet more damage. The only thing in the BB>SE>BB>SE set that does not have a buff (and mind you its only 1 of the 2 missing) is the final SE during the first SE combo after a fracture. This minor loss is easily overlooked for the addition of Fracture into the rotation. If the combo is dropped, just pick it up from an SE combo and place the fracture as needed (Don't clip it. If it wont be on the target for a few seconds its fine.)

[Maelwys]

Not sure what you're implying..

Just an observed trend in responses to anyone questioning Kitru's numbers/methodology.

Nothing to worry about, honest.

[*Munches Popcorn*]

[Kitru]

Each of retorts to the OP have legitimate means.

Not really.

Fracture is higher damage and should be maintained.

Except that if you actually look at the damage that using Fracture actually increases your real DPS by, it's less than half of a percent. It's higher damage, but it's higher damage in a purely semantic context that's really so little that you can ignore it.

It isn't efficient to lose the SE combo's buffs reapplying it (you wont have maim or SE actually active during any of the 3 attacks) as BB's buffed potency/gcd is not 32%(total increased damage given by the buffs) higher than SE's unbuffed.

Maim lasts 30 seconds and SE lasts 15 seconds. BB>BB>SE maintains Maim at all times (and even has a 1-2 GCD overlap in case you want to use Inner Beast in there) while keeping SE for both of the BB combos. I never said that it was the damage maximized (i.e. off tank) combo. BB>BB>SE is the enmity maxed (i.e maim tank) combo. Where enmity is concerned, which is what is being maximized with this given combo, BB provides 250% more enmity than SE does. As such, when you're maximizing enmity, you have a damned good reason to maintain Maim (because Maim lasts longer and provides more) while only refreshing the SE debuff when the opportunity cost is low (i.e. immediately after refreshing Maim). On top of that, the actual DPS advantages of BB>SE over BB>BB>SE are tiny: SE>BB>Frac>SE>BB (the combo you're referring to which is the default combo for WAR I used in the comparison in my sig) manages 342.45 potency per GCD and BB>BB>SE manages 325.3, which is a whopping 5.3% improvement in total damage, which gets diluted down to a 1% advantage when you add in 2 DPS that double the tank's contribution.

Also Maim + SE provide a 33.33% increase to total damage (1.2 / .9), not 32%.

[Maelwys]

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

Not sure what you're implying..

Nothing to worry about, honest.

[*Munches Popcorn*]

There is no need to get hostile with people debating as it brings a greater knowledge to all and informs those who are too shy to ask these question.

The only people I'm getting hostile with are the ones that have no idea what they're talking about and are trying to claim that my math is wrong

"Dammit, out already??"

[*Opens Second Bag*]
[*MunchMunch*]

[Wyndam]

"Dammit, out already??"

[*Opens Second Bag*]
[*MunchMunch*]

I've got some cookies, wanna try some?

[Mishini_Dracoto]

I think the foundation for this argument has to do with TP Starvation, which I rarely suffer from in Single Target Fights. I've been tossing it out in a less-optimal situation, which now I need to rethink (BB>BB>Fr>Se>) and repeat, keeps fracture running, Keeps my Maim & SE running (except for, the Fr)

That being said, my counter argument is knowing when to use it, and not necessarily sticking to a formula for optimization.

What do the #'s really represent? TP cost doesn't matter if you aren't TP Starved.
From a DoT perspective, your maximized damage is to keep Fracture up and running, but it does mean you generate less threat.

Times to use Fracture :
When you have established threat
You have more than 25% TP Remaining (rough figure, don't TP starve yourself over it)
When the DoT is expected to provide full effect on the target. (This means do not use it right before a mob dies, or goes invulnerable.)