Doppelganger Screenshot Contest (NA) - Discussion Thread

[odihsa4]

definitely randomly selected. "80% lose. 20% win." I agree with this statement. /congatulate winners. /comfort to the losers. /fin

[Kos_Mos]

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Taking into consideration that the NA clients are more active in their contests (yes I'm aware not all of our entries were from NA) I believe that to accommodate a more fairness in approach would be to increase the number of winners for the NA contests in regards to region locked contests. Coming from a person who has done a few FFXI forum contests (and remembering the Moogle Suit quarrels in regards to in-game items) I think allowing a closer % of winners to win would be a better route. Not saying to have contests be "60% of the people who enter will be chosen as winners" but taking this contest for example, if we could have had the number of NA contest winners be 200-250 we would have seen a lot more variety in the winning selections and it would have complemented more a comparison against the amount of how many will be winning the EU contest.

[Kallera]

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Taking into consideration that the NA clients are more active in their contests (yes I'm aware not all of our entries were from NA) I believe that to accommodate a more fairness in approach would be to increase the number of winners for the NA contests in regards to region locked contests.....Not saying to have contests be "60% of the people who enter will be chosen as winners" but taking this contest for example, if we could have had the number of NA contest winners be 200-250 we would have seen a lot more variety in the winning selections and it would have complemented more a comparison against the amount of how many will be winning the EU contest.

Like it or not, more chances to win will be thought of as favoring one region over another.

[Selkie]

Like it or not, more chances to win will be thought of as favoring one region over another.

Do you mean the comparison between the amount of winners in EU regions to NA regions or the proposal that NA be given more chances to win after the fact?

[Kos_Mos]

Like it or not, more chances to win will be thought of as favoring one region over another.

True enough. I agree if you're talking about the contest we just had and them adjusting it after the fact. I was using this contest as an example for numbers. However, by that logic one could claim EU was favored over NA as their 'region' got 300 winners and ours only was allowed 100. So adjusting the numbers for a future contest would be very understandable. EU is a bigger region in size but NA is a pretty big region going by volume of people as well, dividing NA region into three sections could be done also with 100 winners per like they did with EU.

[Kos_Mos]

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This is just my opinion and I wanted to put it out there for our forum moderators who run these fun and great contests. You guys do great work and your time you take away to do these is very much appreciated. To all those that won I give you my 'Congrats!' To all those that didn't, let's not discourage the moderators from doing contests anymore but encourage them to make changes to make them more enjoyable for both us that enter and those that host them.

[NephHalp]

I fail to see what the issue is with holding SE to a higher standard. Taking any action regarding the doppelganger event is going to leave a bad taste in varying groups mouths (reselecting winners etc.). However, it is good to make a point that their selection process appeared lazy and/or rushed, likely so that they wouldn't be kept late at work on a Friday. By pointing out issues it allows SE to try and find what went wrong and how they can correct it for future contests. SE is a big company and makes a lot of money, I'm pretty sure they can handle people calling them out when they mess up.

[Kos_Mos]

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Looking at the comparisons of the NA contest versus the EU contest I believe it's safe to say that they received a lot more entries for the NA contest than they originally might have anticipated. I'm assuming the extra time to judge the entries was based on the volume of entries they received and the time it took to verify that all of the perceived winners as they chose them were indeed users of the NA client. This being said I'd like to put this out there as a suggestion for current and/or future contests.

Facts -

For NA contest: 100 winners were chosen
For EU contest: 100 English winners 100 German winners 100 French winners (Total 300 winners)

Please Note - For the following I'm going by the number of posts not the exact number of actual entries.
For NA contest: approx. 700+ entries
For EU contest: approx. 350+ entries

[NephHalp]

That actually makes a lot of sense. An underestimated number of submissions to a contest would lead to tight deadlines and difficulty making enough time to go through and judge the many entries. Adjusting the number of winners to be more comparable to the EU contest (as well as reflect the larger NA playerbase) would be an easy way to increase variety, include some categories which were surprisingly left out (like seasonal entries) and give the team more time to pick winning entries.

[Selkie]

Actually this is the English thread, this is the German thread, and this is the French thread. Totaling around 800+ entries.

Nonetheless, this is still 300 prizes for 800+ entries compared to 100 winners for 700+ entries.

The best course of action would be to select additional entries to make the contests more comparable. This would likely solve many of the issues brought up within this thread.