Critical Hit Rate vs Determination (BLM & SMN)

[Thane]

That's not really a good example because you're going off a trait which changes how the ability functions.

DoT's can crit, this was confirmed a long time ago. Real simple to do. Go put a DoT on a target and watch the floating damage. Occasionally, the tick will spike, this is when the DoT has crit. My Bio II ticks for 88~90 damage every 3s, and occasionally spikes for 120~130 damage. I'm sure there's a video somewhere of this if you really desire more proof. Needless to say, Critical Hit Rate is (in most people's opinion) the better stat to build your gear with. As a SMN and BLM, I go INT > Crit > Det.

[Underlord]

As a 50 blm... and few crafts at 50 with full DL at the moment. I've been trying to figure out best combination of gear to maximize crit rate, determination, int.... looking at my dl gear, gear I can make hq, and myth gear. ... considering gear that the gear I can make you can meld materia. If I mix n match it seems like I could get good amounts of crit rate, det, and int... but sacrifice some accuracy. I know some people hint at a magic number where u won't miss. But as a blm I can't recall ever missing at all. Do you blm's worry about acc and missing? Have you mixed n matched gear to get better stats? Anyone care to discuss what they are wearing/doing and why?

[NefGP]

I ended up going with crit, worked out fairly well in my Cutter's Cry run ^^ (Crit on Fester is just evil)

Good to know DoT procs can crit, that's definitely a change from the norm (and a good one). So can Enkindles crit too? o.O

[Kevee]

So can Enkindles crit too? o.O

Yes.

/10chars

[NefGP]

Cool. So Crit just seems to be this game's super stat, given everything, including cures, seems to have a chance to crit >_>

[pandabearcat]

Cool. So Crit just seems to be this game's super stat, given everything, including cures, seems to have a chance to crit >_>

That doesn't make any sense.

For instance, "weapon damage is the game's super stat because everything, including cures, are affected by it"

"determination is the game's super stat because everything, including cures, are affected by it"

"accuracy is the game's super stat because everything, (well not cures this time =P), are affected by it"

"int/mind/dex/str is the game's super stat because everything, including cures, are affected by it"

you can say it about every offensive stat except SS, and SS affects MOST everything except DoTs and autoattacks (i think).

[Lhin]

Then, do we have some statement in order to compare crit and deter ? like a graph or something like that ?
As a SMN and in my opinion, focusing 500 critical rate then deter is a good option. You need to sacrify too much stats to raise more crit afterwards.

[loqgames]

Parsers don't show crit dmg on dots, and if they do, it is just estimated. There is no way to figure out true dps increse as smn since theres a lot of guessing and alot of bugs when it comes to smn. however, I can imagine that, IF dots are critable, the softcap would be around 12-15% critrate, which is easy to get with ilvl90 gear. however, before, you shouldnt bother to get anything else than a hitcapped smn with full dl.

HOWEVER THIS: I have my own theory when it comes to determination and if it proofs to be correct, I will post something here, on reddit, on youtube and live on my stream with a full detailed spreadsheet + explanation

[Shiroe]

does det by chance affect the "procs" of blm??

[Picori]

I main SMN in coil. I can tell you crit is way better. Pets don't work off det, it works of your book. You can take off all your gear and have your 110 weapon on and pet would be hitting same, but if you go to a 100 book you can see HP is lower on pet and it hits are weeker. Over all having Garuda crit is really good, and dots do crit. In like turn 11 my dots are doing 1,1k each tick not including crits, shadowflare 100-200, and Garuda is 350, but crit is over 600.
It takes 8 det to= 1 int. So you would needs lots of det to make up differences of that crit for SMN.