HM Titan Fight

[Eldelphia]

Well I finally beat the fight but it took an enormous number of runs. I also then helped a friend beat it for his. I am pleased that I beat this but I still think it's pretty rough. I think if something in phase 5 could be tweaked very slightly it would still be a serious fight but without the hair-ripping...

I did this as a SCH and what I would say is that if you can have super virus on Titan before Tumult. If one odd person dies in Phase 5 don't even try and raise them. As already said, precasting is important. It's an incredibly stressful fight for a healer...

[Weltende]

Well I finally beat the fight but it took an enormous number of runs. I also then helped a friend beat it for his. I am pleased that I beat this but I still think it's pretty rough. I think if something in phase 5 could be tweaked very slightly it would still be a serious fight but without the hair-ripping...

I did this as a SCH and what I would say is that if you can have super virus on Titan before Tumult. If one odd person dies in Phase 5 don't even try and raise them. As already said, precasting is important. It's an incredibly stressful fight for a healer...

Congratulations, glad to hear you beat the fight! I did the fight as a SCH recently too and it's a lot of fun, but there are also a lot of little things you have to manage. It's really a lot less of a headache to go back and help people once you already have your relic, also.

Just a few quick notes for the sake of the thread:
-I actually like to put Virus on Titan immediately as landslide is hitting, so it'll last through the cleave/Mountain Buster combo on the tank as well as into the Tumults. I usually put Eye for an Eye on after plumes, since it needs time to proc and the effect will usually last as long as you need it to.
-If anybody dies in phase 5 (please don't die in phase 5) and they have to accept a raise, it is worth pointing out that Gaol is the safest time to accept. Barring a landslide aimed at you as you're getting up, you're at the most minimal risk for taking damage before you can get topped off and Protected. (But still, please don't die in phase 5).

[duceTRE]

1 tank, 4 dd, 3 healer unless the group knows the fights or the healers are relic'ed. Not saying you need to do this, but its the best way to learn it. Heart phase you just need to use the melee lb. Yes, you can get hosed by gaul (gal, gauel, w/e THE ROCK PRISON), but the problem is after the heart phase... and that is where the 3 healers really shine. And no, not three healers because there is a WAR tank vs PLD. And war is equivalent to pally when doing titan.... that bias is silly. Now Coil... that is where you start to see the two classes separate from each other.

DF'ing titan is going in gimp'ed to a strong mechanics fight with strangers, as well as wasting a dps or healing spot with another tank.

I agree, a 3 healer setup is awesome. I just completed Titan HM on Monday, and Tuesday got through Coil turn 1, can't wait till tonight to do turn 2.

[silentwindfr]

the point is saying is not tank friendly, people tend to prefer paladin (i don't care personally). anyway, means for 5/4 dd and 2/3 healer, only one tank get him relic... is really low.

[Ryuko]

Maybe I'm crazy but... I like the Titan fight. I sometimes hang out in Revenant's Toll and join random Titan shout groups to help out. I have the post-heart song memorized and like to sing along as I play. XD

I don't like that the OP says people do this fight once and then don't like to help out. That's very untrue. I am not an exception. There are usually a few people in each shout group I join who are just there to help out.

Here are a few things I have learned about this fight:

1) How well it goes depends on the temperament of the people. If you know the fight, are you willing to give friendly advice, or are you going to berate others? If you don't know the fight, are you going to take advice or get defensive? Will people who aren't doing well at first learn, or will they keep making the same mistakes even after they are corrected? Will people blame lag or will they accept that it is much easier to just dodge ahead of time?

2) Healers have the hardest job in this fight, hands down. All jobs are important in some way, but a healer has to keep the tank up (and cap them off before/after MB), dodge like all of the DPS, Esuna/Leeches the det down debuff ASAP, AND make up for everyone else's mistakes. If you can reduce the load on the healers by not getting hit by unnecessary stuff, the fight will go much smoother, the healers will be less likely to pull hate off the tank, and they will not run out of mana.

3) Very few groups will get it their first time, or their second time, or their third... but after a few tries, you WILL know what the issue is. It takes some groups several hours to get a win, but they do it because everyone stayed. You'll need seven other patient people (plus yourself) to get this done. Stay positive, but not blindly. Be critical, but in a constructive way.

4) I join a lot of shout Titan parties. Out of those, the ones with less requirements (none of the "DL AND GARUDA WEAPON+ ONLY") seem to do better because the people are less picky and dare I say it: elitist. Having good gear just takes time. Playing well takes self-examination and observation of others who play your class. Just because you have great gear doesn't make you an expert. You still have to dodge. Just because you CAN eat a bomb or one plume doesn't mean you should.

5) If someone is simply being bad at their job (low dps or heals), give them a chance first. Try to teach. If they continually won't learn, or blame it on lag, explain that they need to move BEFORE it happens. I often invite people into voice chat so that I can call out when plumes are coming... It helps some people, but if they refuse to listen, there is nothing I can do. If you need to kick someone, NEVER be rude about it. There is no need to be. I usually let someone blame the lag if they want to (even though I get lag and just run preemptively) because then no one is pointing blame and the bad player can leave without feeling offended. I use the phrase 'It's nothing personal' a lot. As a rule of thumb, if someone is getting hit by plumes but NOT landslide, they aren't lagging enough to lose the fight. You can still run ahead of time with plumes.

6) Remember, slow and steady wins the race. Do NOT stop dodging just because you're excited that Titan is almost dead. I can't tell you how many times I see groups completely fall apart when they start to get excited. The last Titan group I was in, I finished it off after EVERYONE else died... I got really lucky in that it was almost dead anyway, but that could have easily been a wipe at <1%!

7) Which LB3 you use at the end depends entirely on your group. If your healers cannot hand the twelve stomps in a row, save it for the tank. If your dps is slow but the healers can easily keep people up through stomps, use the melee LB3. If people die and you can still salvage the fight, use healer LB3. Never raise people to be murdered by stomps.

8) Watch where you are going! Don't run on top of people when plumes are coming. Remember to leave safe areas on the tiny platform.

[coffeerox]

If you don't know the fight, are you going to take advice or get defensive?

lol I've had that happen to me during a DF run. Healer came in there obviously undergeared. Said he was new and wanted to know the fight. I started telling him, then he cut me off and asked if he could follow any ranged. When he realized midway that we were all right, he said it was a gay way to play the game and we disbanded at that point.

4) I join a lot of shout Titan parties. Out of those, the ones with less requirements (none of the "DL AND GARUDA WEAPON+ ONLY") seem to do better because the people are less picky and dare I say it: elitist.

I think that those people are just looking for carries. They don't have the requirements themselves but they'll invite people that do which makes it all the more easier for them. People used to do this back on WoW with gearscore just to get into ICC.

[faerieflare]

the problem is not the healer, the problem is the group as a whole. She's never going to make it through the fight unless the entire group is competent and right now the DF groups are not it.

2) Healers have the hardest job in this fight, hands down

With all due respect sir, you are wrong. I'm a healer, i ran almost 300 times on titan HM already, and never downed it even a single once. Ran with FC yesterday, one shot it. And I pull my own weight, I'm not getting carried.

Healer's job is to keep every1 alive during the fight. I personally have fought titan until 3% at maximum before i downed it. The wipe cause? Out of MP, people die slowly. When i ran with my FC, all i do is running around, popping regen on tank, and get ready to heal on mountain buster or tumult.

See, it's not the problem with gears. When you see a solid team, you healers will definitely know that titan HM is not hard to heal at all.

[Taruranto]

I find the 3 healers setup completely useless, unless the healers are bad and don't bother memorizing P5 pattern. (which happens fairly often, unfortunately)

Maybe I'm crazy but... I like the Titan fight. I sometimes hang out in Revenant's Toll and join random Titan shout groups to help out. I have the post-heart song memorized and like to sing along as I play. XD

You are not alone. As a SCH, it's quite a fun fight. You are forced to use every ability in combination with your fairy buff, it's quite challenging. I basely capped tomes this week with Titan lol.

I actually kind of disagree, I feel like the 3 healer set-up is extreme overkill for this fight.

As far as I've known, the big argument in favor of three healers is healing through the tumults in the last phase. The tumults, however, only get to be a problem if you don't have the DPS to kill Titan before they become a problem, which you won't if:

a) you're bringing 3 healers.
b) your DPS are dying to avoidable damage (stacked plumes, landslide, bombs), in which case no amount of healing is going to save them.

The 3 healer set-up can also necessitate a limit break during the heart phase which is something I'd rather avoid, personally.

I've done the fight with two healers with both PLD and WAR tanks. Both are absolutely fine for the fight so I agree there, whatever stigma people have against WARs doing Titan is questionable at best. I would just rather just bring an extra dps and not make the fight drag out any more than it has to, but that's just my opinion.

I did it many times with a WAR tanking (or heck, 2 WAR, 1 WAR and 1 PLD) and yes , it really doesn't have much problems with Titan. Is it probably safer with a PLD? Of course, Hallowed Ground is a great "oh shit" button, but there is no reason a good WAR can't tank him. I feel like the problem is, once again, bad healers. They need to cap the tank before and after the MB (especially during the bomb phase), but since most ppl either panic or don't know the rotation well, the WAR ends up dying while a PLD has easier time due to the already mentioned mitigation abilities.

[Kafziel]

I did it many times with a WAR tanking (or heck, 2 WAR, 1 WAR and 1 PLD) and yes , it really doesn't have much problems with Titan. Is it probably safer with a PLD? Of course, Hallowed Ground is a great "oh shit" button, but there is no reason a good WAR can't tank him. I feel like the problem is, once again, bad healers. They need to cap the tank before and after the MB (especially during the bomb phase), but since most ppl either panic or don't know the rotation well, the WAR ends up dying while a PLD has easier time due to the already mentioned mitigation abilities.

I have to disagree slightly. While WAR is definitely capable of tanking Titan, they will have to be better geared then a PLD or have great on the ball healers. I have cleared Titan with both a PLD and a WAR. The WAR had better gear than the PLD yet was harder to keep alive during MB. With the PLD using virus and eye for an eye were helpful but not necessary. With a WAR it was far more essential. Titan's normal one two(right left) punch can take out half a WARs health but does only 1/4-1/3 of a PLDs health. The WAR was even basically one shotted from full health(over 7k) when Titan did MB and his one two punch at the same time. Meanwhile an equally geared Paladin topped off would survive that combo (would be around 1k health remaining). Even good healers can have a WAR tank die on them.

[Taruranto]

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I don't disagree with the fact that PLD makes it easier, for example the heart---->P5 transition with a PLD using Hallowed Ground to avoid MB+Stomps (so healers can top everyone pretty nicely) is quite great and more relaxing for healers. What I was trying to say is, there is no reason a good equipped DL WAR can't tank him.

Honestly, for this fight it feels more like that PLD is too powerful rather than the WAR too weak. :P