Multiple Classes is a lie

[Kikosho]

Yes, yes you can. Relic weapon, has to be done manually. But the rest.... you can.

PS: I am assuming you are referring to AF+1, as AF1=AF, and if you are unable to obtain that, you have no business gearing up the character at all.

By AF1 I did mean the original AF. My point when I made that comment was that maybe Job gear should at least be something that you have to earn while being on that job, thus showing your proficiency in the job. The game already doesn't let you Need on gear without being that role in a dungeon so at the least the idea of getting first dibs cause you made the effort to fulfill a role is present. There's other avenues to gear alt jobs equally without being on the job (AK, Coil, eventually CT as well) so it's not like that option is completely taken away from you.

Should have just quoted the whole thing....

You say that no one is asking to max gear, but what some people are asking for grants them the ability to try and max gear ASAP. It may not be a week, but let's not pretend that some people won't do it. Just like they ground CM to the ground for Darklight in a week, or for the more 'hardcore' a couple days. Let's turn down the naivety.

The fatigue system was to slow progression of your character and 'encourage' leveling other classes. That was crap. The game does not halt your progression. Just the top tier gear you can obtain for now. Keywords, for now. Two separate scenarios.

It's not naivety, I do realize people will no-life to max. So what? These players exist in every single MMO They exist right now with people that have max DL or HQ crafted gear for all jobs, all relics, all crafting classes. Max gear ASAP you say? 5~ months to max Myth on all jobs is ASAP? Especially when you have to put in 9 times the effort? I would say, at least I have a reason to log in. I don't even necessarily agree with how we get Myth gear either. Grinding easy dungeons for job gear equivalent to gear that drops from the hardest content is about as equivalent to grinding fates to level cap.

I do find it funny that you mention that the game doesn't halt your progression and then say that it does the very next sentence. Once you cap your levels, part of character progression is getting better gear, so yes, it does halt progression. We don't know how SE will go about progression in future patches but they have already hinted that it's not going to change. When new gear comes out (the new top tier) older gear will be easier to get... but it's still the same situation that we are at right now.

This entire argument is moot anyway since the Devs officially mentioned they aren't changing anything. People that want to maximize multiple jobs will just level multiple characters.

[C-croft]

By AF1 I did mean the original AF. My point when I made that comment was that maybe Job gear should at least be something that you have to earn while being on that job, thus showing your proficiency in the job. The game already doesn't let you Need on gear without being that role in a dungeon so at the least the idea of getting first dibs cause you made the effort to fulfill a role is present. There's other avenues to gear alt jobs equally without being on the job (AK, Coil, eventually CT as well) so it's not like that option is completely taken away from you.



It's not naivety, I do realize people will no-life to max. So what? These players exist in every single MMO They exist right now with people that have max DL or HQ crafted gear for all jobs, all relics, all crafting classes. Max gear ASAP you say? 5~ months to max Myth on all jobs is ASAP? Especially when you have to put in 9 times the effort? I would say, at least I have a reason to log in. I don't even necessarily agree with how we get Myth gear either. Grinding easy dungeons for job gear equivalent to gear that drops from the hardest content is about as equivalent to grinding fates to level cap.

I do find it funny that you mention that the game doesn't halt your progression and then say that it does the very next sentence. Once you cap your levels, part of character progression is getting better gear, so yes, it does halt progression. We don't know how SE will go about progression in future patches but they have already hinted that it's not going to change. When new gear comes out (the new top tier) older gear will be easier to get... but it's still the same situation that we are at right now.

This entire argument is moot anyway since the Devs officially mentioned they aren't changing anything. People that want to maximize multiple jobs will just level multiple characters.

The AF gear is secondary. The quests give you job specific abilities. It's really not about the gear. You can FATE grind past the job quests and equip tome farmed gear and go back and do the quests. The gear is handed to you like all of the other quests that give you gear.

The max gear comment is what people want, not how it is now. You are the one who stated that no one wants everything now. Then turn around and say yes these people exist. Honestly, I think 5 months is overkill, but I don't blame SE for putting in some controls.

And you are mistaken in your halting of progression. Fatigue slowed your experience gain. Meaning you can't complete content, you can't xp, you can't level(effectively). You get some xp and it became disgusting and masochistic to level beyond that. Getting more gear to speed your coil run is not progression in the same sense, as you have hit level cap and can still complete current content. You can complete coil without AF2+1relic whatever it is called. The progression you are referring to is two completely different scenarios. I am not even including the AF2 and the coil drops on top of that. Progression beyond coil is on pause until it is released. Even WoW doesn't let you get it all right away.


PS: Perhaps you should make your point clear the first time you quote someone.

[Kikosho]

The AF gear is secondary. The quests give you job specific abilities. It's really not about the gear. You can FATE grind past the job quests and equip tome farmed gear and go back and do the quests. The gear is handed to you like all of the other quests that give you gear.

The max gear comment is what people want, not how it is now. You are the one who stated that no one wants everything now. Then turn around and say yes these people exist. Honestly, I think 5 months is overkill, but I don't blame SE for putting in some controls.

And you are mistaken in your halting of progression. Fatigue slowed your experience gain. Meaning you can't complete content, you can't xp, you can't level(effectively). You get some xp and it became disgusting and masochistic to level beyond that. Getting more gear to speed your coil run is not progression in the same sense, as you have hit level cap and can still complete current content. You can complete coil without AF2+1relic whatever it is called. The progression you are referring to is two completely different scenarios. I am not even including the AF2 and the coil drops on top of that. Progression beyond coil is on pause until it is released. Even WoW doesn't let you get it all right away.


PS: Perhaps you should make your point clear the first time you quote someone.

The point was clear enough honestly. There's job gear ingame that you can only attain by completing the content as that specific job. Besides, you're the one that made the assumption that I was referring to AF+1 (or whatever the hell people wanna call it, myth, af2, relic, neon glow af) to begin with.

You still miss the point though concerning gearing multiple jobs with the highest tier so no point going over it again cause you fail to understand people's explanations. That aside, SE made it extremely easy to gear up in DL (and Myth) so it's no surprise people are able to max out.

It's also apparent we have different definitions of what constitutes progression. Gearing is part of progression at endgame. You increase your stats just as you would leveling and your character gets stronger. Using your example, why bother getting DL when content up to Titan can be done in AF? I'm not sure why you even bothered to mention content beyond Coil either.