Multiple Classes is a lie

[Doval]

My point was just to say that if the intention is to be able to switch classes, is defeats the purpose to make it impossible to gear multiple jobs with the same end game gear in any reasonable amount of time.
I understand that much of the content now may be able to be completed with full DL and relic weap, but coral tower isn't out yet, how can you say that it will be just as completable with current gear when you haven't seen the content yet? Why would they release additional end game content that didn't add additional challenge to the game? Seems like that argument has some holes in it.

By my calculations, a full set of DoM ToM gear runs about 5385 Myth tokens. At the current cap of 300 it will take about 18 weeks to fully gear lvl 90 gear. 4 1/2 months! So if you wanted to gear 3 jobs it would take you more than a year to fully gear them all 'equally' just because of the cap.

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[Doval]

Not sure that I really understand what the reasoning is behind making the cap so low/preventing players from being able to gear up faster than that. And truthfully I think a lot of people will get bored with the way things are currently and lose interest, but only time will tell on that account. Guess we'll see.

Personally, I think they will probably increase the cap as time goes on and more end game content is released, after all the game has only been RTM for like 2 months and they're still working out the kinks. At least I hope so.

sorry for the long-winded reply but you all have brought up great points that I felt warranted attention. great discussion folks!

[davidbowie]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

[AdvancedWind]

Myth caps doesn't mean you can't gear multiple classes


This discussion has been happening for quite a while, and it's starting to annoy me for a single reason: It's bullshit. There, I said. Bullshit. And here's why:

You can get iLv 70 gear for every class with no restriction. (Darklight / Crafted)
You can get relic for every class with no restrictions.

With full DL you can already start Coil on that class, easily do T1 and T2, and depending on your skill / team comp / class, might even be useful on T4. Not as optmal as your "main" class with iLv 90 gear, sure, but just that already gives you a lot of flexibility.

The problem here is that people want to iLv 90 everything, and think anything other than that is "useless", when it's not that case. But, let's not forget a little something everyone discussing this so called issue seems to forget:

The Crystal Tower

Yep. The dreaded lower level raid so many people are dismissing as useless before it's even released. They're completely ignoring the fact that it will be not only a stepping stone for people who are having trouble starting coil on DL, but it will also serve as a alt class gearing point even for people who already have a good number of Coil drops on their main class.

So, please, stop thinking only iLv 90 gear is useful, stop assuming you need to be max everything to be useful, and stop assuming having to have a focus role is a bad thing. After all, even if you can gear everything, I'm 100% sure you will still perform better as a player in your so called "main" class, regardless of gear, so even all gear being equal you still won't perform the same on every job unless you're either a genius or just play badly with every class.

TL;DR: Stop crying about not being able to gear multiple classes, Crystal Tower is your alt gear source while Myth / Coil is your main class gear source. Even without CT, full DL is already good enough for 99% of the game's content, including early Coil turns.

I'm glad you have to do it this way so you can't easily cap every class, you will have your "main" class, but you *can* get acceptable gear for everything else. With full iLv 80~ish from CT you can perform well enough on your alt classes. And, given enough time, you can eventually max ILV everything, just not in a month or two.

[Shaddix]

And, given enough time, you can eventually max ILV everything, just not in a month or two.

You mean just in time for the patch that makes it all obsolete right? /rolleyes

[Blazer]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

FFXI actually took THAT LONG to accomplish things though. There was always something you could do to better yourself or obtain due to gear swapping. Gear swapping was the greatest creation ever. It to this day makes every facet of endgame relevant for a 10+ year old game.
FFXI took months to get your first 75, not 2 days of Abyssea... I mean FATE grinding.

The issue is that with FFXIV you are not in control of how fast you go. It feels like a f2p system attached to a p2p game... "Best gear in the game: limited dungeon run 1-time a week, myth caps @300". Please do not compare old school FFXI to this. There was content to do in NA release of XI (RoZ), the only barrier was how much you were willing to put in.

[Toranja]

By the time I'm done gearing 2 classes in full myth tome/coil gear 2.3 will have released adding a new tier of gear and making me have to grind the same 300 cap myths(if not raised) again, restricting me to playing 1 class and taking 5 months to gear a single one.

Making you what? It doesn't force you to do anything.

Relax and enjoy at your own pace.

If you are one of those elitists assholes, well then, guess who's problem is that.

[whoopeeragon]

You mean just in time for the patch that makes it all obsolete right? /rolleyes

Not sure if you read his post properly. He clearly made a reference and statement regarding Crystal Tower, which is COMING OUT NEXT PATCH.

[Shiyo]

Really getting tired of people blindly defending flaws in the game that need to be adjusted to make the game a much more enjoyable experience for everyone. These type of people are more detrimental to the game than anything else - by defending such bad designs they encourage the dev's to not look into anything that could be improved and actually hold back the game from becoming much more than it could be, and stop the game from evolving into something much, much, MUCH better.


Please stop blindly defending things just because you get offended by someone criticizing something you love, you are holding the game back in so many ways and if you actually enjoy the game as much as you show in your posts, you would WANT them to make the game better and fix any problems/flaws in the game, not defend them and allow them to run rampart forever just because you're somehow offended if someone criticizes a game you love and enjoy. Rally up with us, and show the devs of this game that there's things wrong with this game that NEED their attention! A smart person would notice the problems, support us, and want their game to be the best it could be, showing the devs there's problems so a brighter future for the game can happen and EVERYONE, including yourself, can have a much more enjoyable MMO experience.

[AdvancedWind]

You mean just in time for the patch that makes it all obsolete right? /rolleyes

I didn't know that on every item cap increase all players instantly get all new gear that instantly makes everything obsolete. Also, again, the mere idea that you must be able to cap everything or you can't play everything is wrong, which is my main point.

Also, pretty sure that with 3 months~ between every patch and the fact that not every patch will increase max item level (see: Next patch), as well as other indirect reductions to gearing time, yes, you will most likely be able to alt gear a lot of stuff every six months.