Multiple Classes is a lie

[Naberrie]

including this one if you want to gear multiple roles in any sane amount of time

It's an MMO. It's supposed to take a long time. It took me two and a half years to hit 75 on FFXI. Never did get full relic on any of the 3 75s I eventually had.

Why people expect end game EQ in this game to not be extremely time consuming I'll never figure out. I hear people say things like "OMG, it's going to take five months to get full DL for each job!" (or however long it is), and all I can think is, "Yeah, so?" It shouldn't be easy. It shouldn't be quick. This is not the instant gratification game, and never will be.

[Sylve]

job specific caps post *snipped*

No, I'm utilizing my instant AK queues as a Warrior to speed up the Tome farming process for my Monk when my friends aren't around. Forcing a job specific cap would mean i can no longer play my Tank and gear my DPS. That would be terrible.

[C-croft]

No, I'm utilizing my instant AK queues as a Warrior to speed up the Tome farming process for my Monk when my friends aren't around. Forcing a job specific cap would mean i can no longer play my Tank and gear my DPS. That would be terrible.

InB4: Get your thinking back in the box, you white knight sheep.

[Kikosho]

You can. You just can't get the best gear for all of them in a week.

Actually you can. You make alt characters instead of leveling jobs on a single character.

Besides, no one is asking to max gear in a week. We're asking for the limits to be adjusted so we can put more effort into gearing our characters than possible. More effort = more rewards.

Question for you, what's your opinion on 1.0s fatigue system?

No, I'm utilizing my instant AK queues as a Warrior to speed up the Tome farming process for my Monk when my friends aren't around. Forcing a job specific cap would mean i can no longer play my Tank and gear my DPS. That would be terrible.

I'm pretty sure you can't gear Monk in AF1 and it's Relic weapon without being on that job. So yes, there is already precedence in-game where you need to do content on the job you want to gear.

[Wobi]

Man I thought I played too much, but people wanting to run AK/WP for more than the allowed 300 cap are nuts. I work full time and cut into sleep to get all the things I want done, did you ever think that maybe this is SE's intention. That they literally don't care about the no-lifers, because why should they? No company wants flak for encouraging a completely unhealthy lifestyle, once one of you drops dead at the computer because you were too busy farming tomes to remember to eat. It's gated on purpose, they actually want you to invest in the job you care about and there is more than adequate gear you can obtain for your alternate classes. Just relax people, no one will be impressed by your gear, trust me.

[C-croft]

I'm pretty sure you can't gear Monk in AF1 and it's Relic weapon without being on that job. So yes, there is already precedence in-game where you need to do content on the job you want to gear.

Yes, yes you can. Relic weapon, has to be done manually. But the rest.... you can.

PS: I am assuming you are referring to AF+1, as AF1=AF, and if you are unable to obtain that, you have no business gearing up the character at all.

[C-croft]

Actually you can. You make alt characters instead of leveling jobs on a single character.

Besides, no one is asking to max gear in a week. We're asking for the limits to be adjusted so we can put more effort into gearing our characters than possible. More effort = more rewards.

Question for you, what's your opinion on 1.0s fatigue system?

Should have just quoted the whole thing....

You say that no one is asking to max gear, but what some people are asking for grants them the ability to try and max gear ASAP. It may not be a week, but let's not pretend that some people won't do it. Just like they ground CM to the ground for Darklight in a week, or for the more 'hardcore' a couple days. Let's turn down the naivety.

The fatigue system was to slow progression of your character and 'encourage' leveling other classes. That was crap. The game does not halt your progression. Just the top tier gear you can obtain for now. Keywords, for now. Two separate scenarios.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

people simply want to do on one charactor what they can allready do on multiple charactors, the point being that having to use multiple charactors to do this makes the multi classes per charator a somewhat pointless gimick

again, you do not need more then one character, the caps are not the issue -.-

You level a class to 50, gear it up, then level another class to 50, gear it up.

[Kikosho]

Yes, yes you can. Relic weapon, has to be done manually. But the rest.... you can.

PS: I am assuming you are referring to AF+1, as AF1=AF, and if you are unable to obtain that, you have no business gearing up the character at all.

By AF1 I did mean the original AF. My point when I made that comment was that maybe Job gear should at least be something that you have to earn while being on that job, thus showing your proficiency in the job. The game already doesn't let you Need on gear without being that role in a dungeon so at the least the idea of getting first dibs cause you made the effort to fulfill a role is present. There's other avenues to gear alt jobs equally without being on the job (AK, Coil, eventually CT as well) so it's not like that option is completely taken away from you.

Should have just quoted the whole thing....

You say that no one is asking to max gear, but what some people are asking for grants them the ability to try and max gear ASAP. It may not be a week, but let's not pretend that some people won't do it. Just like they ground CM to the ground for Darklight in a week, or for the more 'hardcore' a couple days. Let's turn down the naivety.

The fatigue system was to slow progression of your character and 'encourage' leveling other classes. That was crap. The game does not halt your progression. Just the top tier gear you can obtain for now. Keywords, for now. Two separate scenarios.

It's not naivety, I do realize people will no-life to max. So what? These players exist in every single MMO They exist right now with people that have max DL or HQ crafted gear for all jobs, all relics, all crafting classes. Max gear ASAP you say? 5~ months to max Myth on all jobs is ASAP? Especially when you have to put in 9 times the effort? I would say, at least I have a reason to log in. I don't even necessarily agree with how we get Myth gear either. Grinding easy dungeons for job gear equivalent to gear that drops from the hardest content is about as equivalent to grinding fates to level cap.

I do find it funny that you mention that the game doesn't halt your progression and then say that it does the very next sentence. Once you cap your levels, part of character progression is getting better gear, so yes, it does halt progression. We don't know how SE will go about progression in future patches but they have already hinted that it's not going to change. When new gear comes out (the new top tier) older gear will be easier to get... but it's still the same situation that we are at right now.

This entire argument is moot anyway since the Devs officially mentioned they aren't changing anything. People that want to maximize multiple jobs will just level multiple characters.

[C-croft]

By AF1 I did mean the original AF. My point when I made that comment was that maybe Job gear should at least be something that you have to earn while being on that job, thus showing your proficiency in the job. The game already doesn't let you Need on gear without being that role in a dungeon so at the least the idea of getting first dibs cause you made the effort to fulfill a role is present. There's other avenues to gear alt jobs equally without being on the job (AK, Coil, eventually CT as well) so it's not like that option is completely taken away from you.



It's not naivety, I do realize people will no-life to max. So what? These players exist in every single MMO They exist right now with people that have max DL or HQ crafted gear for all jobs, all relics, all crafting classes. Max gear ASAP you say? 5~ months to max Myth on all jobs is ASAP? Especially when you have to put in 9 times the effort? I would say, at least I have a reason to log in. I don't even necessarily agree with how we get Myth gear either. Grinding easy dungeons for job gear equivalent to gear that drops from the hardest content is about as equivalent to grinding fates to level cap.

I do find it funny that you mention that the game doesn't halt your progression and then say that it does the very next sentence. Once you cap your levels, part of character progression is getting better gear, so yes, it does halt progression. We don't know how SE will go about progression in future patches but they have already hinted that it's not going to change. When new gear comes out (the new top tier) older gear will be easier to get... but it's still the same situation that we are at right now.

This entire argument is moot anyway since the Devs officially mentioned they aren't changing anything. People that want to maximize multiple jobs will just level multiple characters.

The AF gear is secondary. The quests give you job specific abilities. It's really not about the gear. You can FATE grind past the job quests and equip tome farmed gear and go back and do the quests. The gear is handed to you like all of the other quests that give you gear.

The max gear comment is what people want, not how it is now. You are the one who stated that no one wants everything now. Then turn around and say yes these people exist. Honestly, I think 5 months is overkill, but I don't blame SE for putting in some controls.

And you are mistaken in your halting of progression. Fatigue slowed your experience gain. Meaning you can't complete content, you can't xp, you can't level(effectively). You get some xp and it became disgusting and masochistic to level beyond that. Getting more gear to speed your coil run is not progression in the same sense, as you have hit level cap and can still complete current content. You can complete coil without AF2+1relic whatever it is called. The progression you are referring to is two completely different scenarios. I am not even including the AF2 and the coil drops on top of that. Progression beyond coil is on pause until it is released. Even WoW doesn't let you get it all right away.


PS: Perhaps you should make your point clear the first time you quote someone.