Multiple Classes is a lie

[Doval]

Not sure that I really understand what the reasoning is behind making the cap so low/preventing players from being able to gear up faster than that. And truthfully I think a lot of people will get bored with the way things are currently and lose interest, but only time will tell on that account. Guess we'll see.

Personally, I think they will probably increase the cap as time goes on and more end game content is released, after all the game has only been RTM for like 2 months and they're still working out the kinks. At least I hope so.

sorry for the long-winded reply but you all have brought up great points that I felt warranted attention. great discussion folks!

[Keith_Dragoon]

My point was just to say that if the intention is to be able to switch classes, is defeats the purpose to make it impossible to gear multiple jobs with the same end game gear in any reasonable amount of time.
I understand that much of the content now may be able to be completed with full DL and relic weap, but coral tower isn't out yet, how can you say that it will be just as completable with current gear when you haven't seen the content yet? Why would they release additional end game content that didn't add additional challenge to the game? Seems like that argument has some holes in it.



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Because Crystal Tower was and is intended to be a content bridge between WP/AK and Coil. It is a DF 24 man content that is supposed to be easy but still an interesting trip down memory lane while gearing up for coil. This waa all stated by Yoshi P himself so please kindly point out these holes you speak of.

[davidbowie]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

[Blazer]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

FFXI actually took THAT LONG to accomplish things though. There was always something you could do to better yourself or obtain due to gear swapping. Gear swapping was the greatest creation ever. It to this day makes every facet of endgame relevant for a 10+ year old game.
FFXI took months to get your first 75, not 2 days of Abyssea... I mean FATE grinding.

The issue is that with FFXIV you are not in control of how fast you go. It feels like a f2p system attached to a p2p game... "Best gear in the game: limited dungeon run 1-time a week, myth caps @300". Please do not compare old school FFXI to this. There was content to do in NA release of XI (RoZ), the only barrier was how much you were willing to put in.

[Kosmos992k]

FFXI took months to get your first 75, not 2 days of Abyssea... I mean FATE grinding.

The issue is that with FFXIV you are not in control of how fast you go.

That is a steaming pile of BS. If you CHOOSE to FATE grind, that is your choice. But YOU are in control of how fast you level your character. No one can make you power level, you chose that for yourself. So don't blame the game, the game maker or anything else for your own play choices.

[Khalette]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

I couldn't agree more, and I'm about as casual as they come. I haven't even reached tome cap yet. I don't mind it taking forever, and I absolutely love the multi-class feature. Everyone that is OMG I HAVE TO GET THIS DONE RIGHT NOW is going to find themselves burned out on the game.

Do what you do and enjoy it while you do it. If you're not, go do something outside the video game and enjoy that.

Quit demanding gear because you expect to be the best with little effort.

[Amberion]

wow so everybody plays mmo's now to finish them fast af should be immediate not gained over time ok hey sqaure enix just give these guys everything now so they will stop complaining hell lets make game easier.
FFXI af could take months to years to get but those were the days when people were willing to work for it and suffer.


mmo's are dead thanks to the I want it now generation of gamers who are impatient.

I played XI also, an while AF could take awhile. There was no programmed cap that made it so you couldn't progress more then x-amount each week. Here, you have a cap that makes it so you can't complete AF2 + Relic+1 before 5 months.

[Bizniztyme]

I played XI also, an while AF could take awhile. There was no programmed cap that made it so you couldn't progress more then x-amount each week. Here, you have a cap that makes it so you can't complete AF2 + Relic+1 before 5 months.

FFXI the relics, basically what the OP is talking about had all kinds of roadblocks and wait times.

[AdvancedWind]

Myth caps doesn't mean you can't gear multiple classes


This discussion has been happening for quite a while, and it's starting to annoy me for a single reason: It's bullshit. There, I said. Bullshit. And here's why:

You can get iLv 70 gear for every class with no restriction. (Darklight / Crafted)
You can get relic for every class with no restrictions.

With full DL you can already start Coil on that class, easily do T1 and T2, and depending on your skill / team comp / class, might even be useful on T4. Not as optmal as your "main" class with iLv 90 gear, sure, but just that already gives you a lot of flexibility.

The problem here is that people want to iLv 90 everything, and think anything other than that is "useless", when it's not that case. But, let's not forget a little something everyone discussing this so called issue seems to forget:

The Crystal Tower

Yep. The dreaded lower level raid so many people are dismissing as useless before it's even released. They're completely ignoring the fact that it will be not only a stepping stone for people who are having trouble starting coil on DL, but it will also serve as a alt class gearing point even for people who already have a good number of Coil drops on their main class.

So, please, stop thinking only iLv 90 gear is useful, stop assuming you need to be max everything to be useful, and stop assuming having to have a focus role is a bad thing. After all, even if you can gear everything, I'm 100% sure you will still perform better as a player in your so called "main" class, regardless of gear, so even all gear being equal you still won't perform the same on every job unless you're either a genius or just play badly with every class.

TL;DR: Stop crying about not being able to gear multiple classes, Crystal Tower is your alt gear source while Myth / Coil is your main class gear source. Even without CT, full DL is already good enough for 99% of the game's content, including early Coil turns.

I'm glad you have to do it this way so you can't easily cap every class, you will have your "main" class, but you *can* get acceptable gear for everything else. With full iLv 80~ish from CT you can perform well enough on your alt classes. And, given enough time, you can eventually max ILV everything, just not in a month or two.

[Shaddix]

And, given enough time, you can eventually max ILV everything, just not in a month or two.

You mean just in time for the patch that makes it all obsolete right? /rolleyes