Multiple Classes is a lie

[C-croft]

Actually you can. You make alt characters instead of leveling jobs on a single character.

Besides, no one is asking to max gear in a week. We're asking for the limits to be adjusted so we can put more effort into gearing our characters than possible. More effort = more rewards.

Question for you, what's your opinion on 1.0s fatigue system?

Should have just quoted the whole thing....

You say that no one is asking to max gear, but what some people are asking for grants them the ability to try and max gear ASAP. It may not be a week, but let's not pretend that some people won't do it. Just like they ground CM to the ground for Darklight in a week, or for the more 'hardcore' a couple days. Let's turn down the naivety.

The fatigue system was to slow progression of your character and 'encourage' leveling other classes. That was crap. The game does not halt your progression. Just the top tier gear you can obtain for now. Keywords, for now. Two separate scenarios.

[Sylve]

I'm pretty sure you can't gear Monk in AF1 and it's Relic weapon without being on that job. So yes, there is already precedence in-game where you need to do content on the job you want to gear.

Yes, there exists class specific quest lines for class specific gear and skills. And i happen to like those quests, as they teach me something about my class. The Relic line is the same, in a sense. By making me run the content on that specific class, i am proving i have the skills required to play it.

But why should i be forced to prove that i can play my Monk in AK/WP when I'm farming Garuda HM and learning Titan HM?

Even if i had a full ilvl 90 kit waiting for my Scholar when it hits 50, I'll still need to get through the various requirements of my Relic quest on that class. The gear i use to do it is irrelevant. The class requisite is to prove you know how to play that class and deserve the Relic, Gear has nothing to do with it.

The time drawbacks for the majority of players to have job specific caps is astronomical compared to the drawbacks of the current system. I have friends who like to play multiple classes, but often don't have the time to play more than a few hours on the weekend. So under your system, they'd never be able to cap tomes on 2 Jobs, because they don't have the 10 hours a day to cap it both, and imagine if they liked one job of each Role? suddenly, it becomes incredibly difficult to get the things you need due to lack of time in the day to get it done.

As my main class is a Monk, the wait times for dungeons make Tome farming very slow to do on my own. When I'm with friends, its instant queue no matter what class i play.
When I'm alone, i Tank it, and still get the Tomes i need to get gear for the jobs that cant get into dungeons as fast. Under your plan, i'd be forced to wait in the DD queue when i *could* be tanking it for 3 people who only have the 1 non Tank job at 50, and still gearing up the Job that needs the Tomes while picking up off drops no one else needs.

[KiriA500]

Actually you can. You make alt characters instead of leveling jobs on a single character.

Besides, no one is asking to max gear in a week. We're asking for the limits to be adjusted so we can put more effort into gearing our characters than possible. More effort = more rewards.

Question for you, what's your opinion on 1.0s fatigue system?

It was atrocious and one of the worst ideas to ever come to fruition.

inb4 you make asinine comparisons between leveling up and earning the best gear in the game.

[Aleksandr]

Your problem is you don't WANT to do it again for another job. It's also stated that you can level multiple jobs, not that you can level multiple jobs AT THE SAME TIME. Gearing up another job will take about equally long as it took for you to gear up your first job. You just can't do it at the same time. In the end in weeks, months or years from now, you can indeed have multiple jobs on the same character, all well geared.

Yes in months, weeks or years from now we can gear to the spot where we are now; however it is my hope that in months or years from now there is new content and new gear so I won't have to be gearing up to the same point I am now. Of course that new content will require me to get new gear... which mean only one job will remained well gear while I am waiting for several more months and years to get my other classes up to date as new stuff comes out leaving me with only one well done job.... (repeat)

[davidbowie]

Forrest Dump Once said While farming in Ul'dah

my momma always said it's easy to tell when somebody don't know what the heck they talking bout they make threads that have stupid headers with misinformation, and thats all i have to say about that.

[Blazer]

This topic is my issue with the game as it currently stands.
I find no incentive whatsoever to level up another class to 50 and gear up that job. IMO I'd just be gearing a job in i70 gear to do AK and WP with.

My way of thinking is that if I were to get the "urge" to go to coil on another job I would not only be gimping myself, but the entire group. If a group wants to perform at their peak they need everyone at theirs. So while I70 crafted gear 5x meld is very good, it is still a step below the I90 gear. Me taking up a spot in my I70 gear with no intentions at all of "main-ing" it means that I will never invest myths into this job, meaning no +1 weapon or Myth armor. Where-as another person who's invested myths could take my spot and (assuming same skill levels) out perform me.

The only incentive I see to do CT is to gear sub jobs. Hopefully this helps.

[Alhanelem]

I'm starting to feel like in addition to the cake, the smart people in this game is a lie.

[Reokudo]

Let's say you have an FC that does Coil, and requires you to have multiple jobs at 50 because the FC has different people that log on, like back ups and what not, they require this so you can be flexible. You have your main job geared rather well, but your other jobs not so much, you consider those your secondary mains and whatnot. But you under-perform ever so slightly because of your gear or lack thereof. You start to hate the system and wonder why there wasn't a cap per job that fills from gaining the cap with just one. Imagine you did all your AK/WP for the week, you have 300 myth tomes per job you have at 50, and can only buy gear for said job while on said job.

Now you can get gear for your alt jobs instead of taking another 5 months to gear it when it becomes outdated. That's the underlined issue, by the time you attempt to gear that second main it is outdated. The system I mentioned above should be in place. There, saved frustration. It's not a matter of I WANT THIS NOW, it's a matter of I want this before t becomes useless on my second main.

[Woggers]

Choose similar classes to level up @ same time. I leveled WHM/BLM together til 40, then BLM to 50. After running AK I had a full set of AK gear for WHM, which I took advantage of once I got that to 50. Month in a half Full DL and relic for BLM and mostly DL and a couple AK pieces for WHM. Not hard at all

[PerrythePlatypus]

Choose similar classes to level up @ same time. I leveled WHM/BLM together til 40, then BLM to 50. After running AK I had a full set of AK gear for WHM, which I took advantage of once I got that to 50. Month in a half Full DL and relic for BLM and mostly DL and a couple AK pieces for WHM. Not hard at all

What the hell does this have to do with Philosophy tombs cap?
Cute though. You thought leveling and dungeon gear is the issue here....