Class Homogenization.... Why do you want it?

[RoosterAgathos]

All these threads about nerfs and "discrimination" have me wondering.

What are you expecting when you pick your main job or class?
Should your job/class be boss at everything? SE should never implement a situational boss fight?

Perhaps we should all be limited to one class to make it that much easier. I am struggling to find the logic in peoples request.

Is it possible you should adjust your play to the accepted mechanics of the game. Or maybe become a boss at your job and prove others wrong that job X is just as viable as Job Y in situation Z.

Where does personal responsibility come into play? Or are we in an never ending handout QQ to SE line... till we have the most generic MMO on the planet

Ultimately I am asking: Whats the point in specializing, if no one needs to be special?

[Animation]

Every single job has a role and therefor a purpose.

[Lisotte]

Specialisation is good. The problem is either when one job objectively is better than another (pld vs. war), or in situational fights. "Sorry for this fight your job's not good; good luck getting a party for it! But hey, in that other fight over there, your job's great, doesn't that make you feel better?"

[Manilas]

Well, there will always be some specific jobs groups will require in them (such as Caster Dps for Ifrit for Nails).

But I like to prove people wrong that my job X is just as viable as Job Y in situation Z. Now, I don't have many Mmo's experience, only 3 (one which didn't have roles, other one was WoW and now FFXIV). When I played WoW, most of the community (and even my guild) said Fury over Arms for Warrior DPS. Funny, even undergeared, I was always in top 3 dps of groups I participated in. Was I lucky with numbers? Maybe. We'll see when (if) I switch to Dps in FXIV.

[sharazisspecial]

I don't think being "special" works when it comes to tank jobs. Outside of different styles of tanking(reactive vs proactive)

It may work for dps and healers. In fact bards are pretty "special" since they have powerful buffs and they are in demand. FFXI you would generally use which tank was better designed . But you could get by with a variety of healers and dps.

[RoosterAgathos]

Specialisation is good. The problem is either when one job objectively is better than another (pld vs. war), or in situational fights. "Sorry for this fight your job's not good; good luck getting a party for it! But hey, in that other fight over there, your job's great, doesn't that make you feel better?"

I get that.. i don't think its a perfect system, but why have two tank class (as per your example) if they are equal in every way?

[sharazisspecial]

I get that.. i don't think its a perfect system, but why have two tank class (as per your example) if they are equal in every way?

The dps are doing similar dps , the healers are doing similar hps. Warrior is pile of shit compared to paladin because they lack EVERYTHING (mitigation, scaling and cooldowns). If warrior was healing as much as paladin migitates(constantly) and had similar "power level" tank cooldowns to paladin. They would definitely be viable.

[Mythrella]

I HATE the H word!

Jobs should be balanced, but I know that's not always the easiest thing to do. SE will need to look at the fights and how they are designed in addition to just the classes' output. MMOs go years and years trying to balance without ever fully achieving it. It's the nature of the beast.

Also, nothing needs to be balanced around 4p parties. Ever. I hope they see it the same way.

[Ryutamashiisan]

Nerfing isnt about homognizing jobs, its about Balance. For example with the bard nerf, Bard DPS aint special, BUT BRD has 100% mobiltily to go with there DPS when most endgame fights require an exceptional amount of moving.

The way i see it the roles for each job are well defined
PLD: Passive Damage Mitigation Tank based on direct damage -
WAR: Reactive Mitigation tank based on HP/ DMG output
WHM: Burst/AoE heal specalist
SCH: Single target heal special/ Support
DRG: Low Skill Medium to High Damage Melee
MNK: High Skill Extremely High Damage Melee
BRD: Low to Medium DMG Ranged/Support Class
BLM: Low Skill/ Medium to High Damage Ranged
SMN: High Skill Extremely High damage Ranged.

Nerfs and players, wont change that.SE shouldn't be making fights that so heavy-handedly give weight to Job vs Player Skill. When they do however, they have to fix it, pure and simple.

[Lisotte]

The dps are doing similar dps , the healers are doing similar hps. Warrior is pile of shit compared to paladin because they lack EVERYTHING.

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