Wanderer's Palace Discrimation

[Spythe]

I think I can pull off a 10min run with a solid group make up. So far my quickest have been 14 min as PLD/SCH/SMN/BRD. Seems like a BRD is a must have in all these speed runs. I would like to see how a SMN/BLM workout or even 2 BLM.

On the Bane talk yes it only hits 3 addition mobs but I don't think its a bug, most trash packs are typically 3 to 4 mobs when done normally. I think with 4 or less mobs SMN are kings of AoE but when it comes down to speed runs BLM wins. Also don't forgot to use Tri Disaster when its more than 4 mobs the potency is pretty bad but once you hitting more than 4 mobs it does solid damage once all your dots and shadow flare is down.

[mountaindew]

My quickest run was around 13 mins as PLD/WHm/SMN/BLM.

With the WP speed runs now optimal with the Myth drops, it really isn't ideal to bring a non AoE dps class into the party unless they are happy to run WP normally. It's not really a discrimination, just a necessity to have 2 AoE classes for a speed run in WP.

[Lisotte]

My question for the OP is this: What in blazes is a "discrimation?"

[Duuude007]

Discrimination would be if you weren't an ideal class, nor could you ever change classes to become that class (RE: WoW)
Same applies to pld, whm or blm. Roughly half the class options available to pursue freely once your initial class is lv 10+.

You may think you are being discriminated, but what you really are is lacking the initiative to adjust to change.
ANYONE can fit one of those 4 roles, given the personal drive to do so.

[Wolfwoodx]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD. I know we're not really an AoE class by any means but I was thinking, Rain of Death is only 100 potency and Quick Nock and Wide Volley are only 110. There's also Flaming Arrow, but the radius of Ring of Thorns is 5y and the potency is 100 but comboed with HT it's 150, plus we can use life surge to crit, and also Doom Spike to do 160 in a line. Could a DRG be a feasable AoE in WP speed runs by doing HT + RoT + DS combos? That'd be about 310 potency AoE (plus 170 to the HT target) per 3 moves versus 320 AoE of BRD minus the fact we don't have Flaming Arrow. I know it's not ideal but I'm just wondering if it was feasible.

[Reiterpallasch]

This is what happens when people cry for nerfs to speedruns. Not the optimal class with aoe (since we have to kill everything now, derp)? Too bad, back of the line. Speedruns didn't go away, but instead adapted to the newly "improved" dungeons.

There was a time when class didn't matter, because people just skipped mobs and killed the bosses. But people were against that and cried "nerf! nerf! nerf!".

You got exactly what you guys asked for, and I'm perfectly content with that.

[Duuude007]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD. I know we're not really an AoE class by any means but I was thinking, Rain of Death is only 100 potency and Quick Nock and Wide Volley are only 110. There's also Flaming Arrow, but the radius of Ring of Thorns is 5y and the potency is 100 but comboed with HT it's 150, plus we can use life surge to crit, and also Doom Spike to do 160 in a line. Could a DRG be a feasable AoE in WP speed runs by doing HT + RoT + DS combos? That'd be about 310 potency AoE (plus 170 to the HT target) per 3 moves versus 320 AoE of BRD minus the fact we don't have Flaming Arrow. I know it's not ideal but I'm just wondering if it was feasible.

Yes, drg and mnk are viable for sr's, but its naturally faster with a bard because the PLD and healer can benefit from fast ballad mp recovery.

[Spythe]

so I'm a fairly new lvl 50 DRG, but I'm curious about our AoE vs BRD.

BRD don't have great AoE but they buff the BLM damage and provide mana song for the healer in the group.

[Duuude007]

BRD don't have great AoE but they buff the BLM damage and provide mana song for the healer in the group.

PLD too. Flashing that many mobs being spam-AOEd can be mp intensive. Often SoS and melee combo hate isn't enough.

[Shadowzanon]

I have done tons of speed runs, many with the pld/whm/blm and brd. 10 to 11 mins or so. However its still fast replacing the bard. Monks and Dragoons do well, and yes it may take a few mins more, its still better than whats out there. We had wp down in 15 min with a monk yes 5 min to the optimal but lets face it you wont get optimal time all of the time. We just run with whoever is aval. Just dont hang out with those who like to discriminate.