Please nerf Holy.

[Tightpants]

Disagreeing Holy needs to be nerfed != saying Holy is weak.

Also best by what metric? It's a good AoE, but I doubt we'll see WHM getting invited as "AoE dps" any time soon.



This is pretty laughable. A WHM defending his class is bias, but a SCH calling for nerfs on the one "competing" class is not? You're just as biased, in fact, you probably are more so given your past "nerf WHM" posts. I know it's probably a struggle, but try thinking a little bit before you post next time.

it's the strongest AoE dmg based on the metric of most damage.

as in it does more dmg than other AoEs.

they're already being invited for AoE dps, where have you been? why didn't they invite you?

[Jefferham]

While I agree that Holy is a powerful spell, I see no reason to nerf it just because it's helpful in WP speed runs. I main a SCH and have no problems doing a WP speed run with a warrior/paladin tank any faster than if I were on my WHM. The Stun from Holy is about the equivalent damage reduction of Sacred Soil + Eye for an Eye. And the damage is menial when you may only get off 1-2 Casts before going back to healing your tank. Not to mention the MP you eat up doing those 1-2 casts is pretty substantial.

[Starkbeaumont]

never understood ppl crying for a nerf when they feel their class is too weak compared to something... why not ask for a buff of your own class?

[ApolloGenX]

Or crying for any changes because massively outgearing a dungeon and speed running it could be a bit faster with one healer class doing dps (not even primary function) than another.

I don't even know where to begin with the amount of whine that the OP is slinging. It's not like we are talking cutting edge content and dps classes... this is a whine because farming trivial content could "possibly" be a teeny bit faster with one healing class doing dps. The ridiculousness just makes me wonder how some people get on in thier daily lives.

[kayuwoody]

Threads like this make me want a dislike button

[Nailkita]

Snip~

Also, following this train of thought, it's time to nerf:
- Repose. Scholars don't have this, and it completely removes damage from several mobs, which is more than any healing spell. This is completely unfair while playing through Brayflox, Stone Vigil, etc!
- Shroud of Saints. A WHM can just cast this and get a ton of mana back... and it dumps aggro as well? Easymode crap.
- Cure 3 proc. I mean, dude, it's a proc that makes a big AOE heal auto-crit! That's freaking awesome!

You sir, are win.

[Swordphobic]

For those saying holy is the highest damage aoe... wrong. The highest damage aoe is flare with 260 potency compared to holy's 240 and it also has a 2x damage multiplier if astral fire 3 is up (520potency).

[Rapture]

With Cleric Stance, Holy becomes 264 potency for a maximum of 2112 potency with 8 Holy before OOM around 20 seconds if you go all out and blow cooldowns (swiftcast & presence of mind for 2.5 cast). This pretty much matches the 2080 potency of a BLM who manages three Flares (Astral Fire III) and two normal Flares over a similar period of time, if that is even possible. That they come this close is most likely purposeful balancing by S-E rather than a coincidence. With Raging Strikes +20% dmg, as well as higher accuracy and crit chance from gear, the BLM would still no doubt pull ahead as the top-tier burst AoE dps over 20 seconds.

The difference being that the WHM as well as the entire party would be pretty screwed afterwords unless you had around 1 minute to recover without much healing. Totally non-sustainable, but WHM can have pretty insane burst AoE dps in a pinch, under the assumption that nothing survives. Realistically, you would never spam Holy on any content your party wasn't overgeared enough to faceroll. More practical end-game usage of Holy would rarely have you fire it off more than once or twice. Harder content is needed, not an AoE nerf.

[ReviiLagoon]

I'm supposed to heal as a SCH? Normally I just let my pet do all that while I sit in cleric stance and DPS everything, this goes on for everything, not just trash mobs, even bosses it's like this....

[Jarlax]

Some people make the stun sound OP, but you have to remember there are diminishing returns so after holy 3 mobs are immune to the stun.

Each Job has specific strengths and weaknesses

scholars get a couple fairies and a lot more utility but lack AoE potentional, but still has some AoE.

white mages have superior AoE potentional at the cost of large chunks of MP that is hard to recover but weaker single target, Aero, Aero II, lightning, and stone II vrs what you have.

while a scholar dpses their fairy can heal the party

while a white mage dpses no one actively heals the party.

........seems balanced