Please nerf Holy.

[Takeva]

WHM full Mind, with DL and relic +1: Holy without any kind of buff = 700 damage and can use it 15 times before oom

Um I can't use holy 15 times in a row, even with shroud. There will be a couple of pauses somewhere and if the mobs aren't down by then, I'll die.

Why nerf because of a dungeon that's being used for farming? Without cleric stance, holy is useless. WP/AK is the only time I've ever switched to cleric stance in a dungeon. Let me do this for coil runs and trying to heal my party. See how that turns out.

And also what about soloing for quests? Are whm not allowed to do that either? Just level your own whm and see how it really is.

[Jarlax]

WHM full Mind, with DL and relic +1: Holy without any kind of buff = 700 damage and can use it 15 times before oom
BLM full Int, with DL and relic +1: Flare with no astral fire buff = 600 damage and 0 MP left (1100 dmg if AF III)
BLM full Int, with DL and relic +1: Blizzard II with Umbral III ~250 damage, spammable
BLM full Int, with DL and relic +1: Fire II with Astral Fire III ~450 damage, usable 3-4 times

Something is clearly wrong with Holy. I don't think the WHM was designed to be the best AoE dps class in the game.

my bad, cant a BLM regen their MP bar in like 3 seconds? Also the cast times are faster than 4 seconds no? With a 3 sec cast and a 1 sec animation on holy = 4 seconds.....what are BLM cast times? I wont comment on a fight with a duration longer than 30 seconds because we all know the WHM will be OOM while the BLM will infinitely dps.

Not only that but holy DOES have a buff it is called Cleric Stance which changes us from a healer....to...... wait for it......a DPS. Yea it has a fast timer, but I still cant get decent damage from holy and actually heal anyone worth a crap without clicking it off.

in cleric stance my heals are as effective as a BLM casting Cure, actually less effective because a BLM will regen their entire MP bar in like 3 seconds, and I run out. You can cry Bard all you want to, but then you are comparing a team of players working together to a solo player.

[DivineAyumi]

To the "You must have never run an X SR before" guy:

You're a horrible SCH sir.
With that I don't mean that SCH deals more damage than a WHM, because they don't.
But you're not taking so many thing into consideration.

* While a WHM is using holy, there is no cures being done to your party aside from Regen. - Your fairy can AOE heal, Party buff, and stay out of danger while you do whatever you want.

* A WHM needs to be Melee range to cast Holy and not a mile away like you, therefore they are more in danger. Yes I know you can step in and out for a few skills but you are a lot safer.

* MP cost. A DPS WHM will suffer tremendous MP issues if they go all out. A SCH can go all out and don't have to worry about MP, Ever. (Unless you're just a horrible SCH)

* Global Cooldowns. If a party member gets blasted by something or your tank gets hit for 90% his health by some random shiet You can't instantly heal him with a cure because of GCD+Casting time, therefore he can easily die. You must know your limit. And yes I know there is Benediction, that will heal him but it will most likely cause you to die due to Holy+benediction combo draws insane aggro that no tank can help you out of.

* Fairy, nuff said.

[Seezur_Undies]

* Fairy, nuff said.

SCHs need to be nerfed cause i am a white mage and i cant summon my unicorn to come in and help me heal and buff. *cries a lil*

[Kirathu]

Omg my class Need moar luv plxplx NOT!

[Phai]

If you've been running Wanderer's Palace as of late, you'll know how much better WHM is compared to SCH.

SCH needs a decent direct damage AoE. SCH DPS is far too DoT heavy, meaning you can't dance in-and-out of Cleric Stance.

What they need to do is simply turn Holy into a DoT.

1: u want to nerf holy based on WP that everyone speedruns and are mostly op geard for?

2: whm need DD spells also for grinding, solo quests etc?

3: when conten is more on grp's gear lvl (or endgame) doesent whm need to use most of mp on healing?

Seems to me that if some ppl find one situation where one class migth be better than another, they go and scream nerf everywhere

[Kryzen]

1: u want to nerf holy based on WP that everyone speedruns and are mostly op geard for?

Seems to me that if some ppl find one situation where one class migth be better than another, they go and scream nerf everywhere

7 whm + 1 PLD can beat the living piss out of titan faster then most pre-mades

[Freakiie]

Lets nerf BLMs then, their dmg with a Bard using Foe Requiem and Battle Voice is too damn high! It's like numbers and stuff! Like totally OP! Oh and they never run out of mana! NERF NERF NERF!

[fraeblood]

STOP! LOL are you all that bored or that casual that this thread has gone 15 pages?! How about we theorycraft 2nd stats, or talk about how to heal or how to mix in DPS with healing... OR anything but how dumb this topic is
PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD lol

[Kryzen]

STOP! LOL are you all that bored or that casual that this thread has gone 15 pages?! How about we theorycraft 2nd stats, or talk about how to heal or how to mix in DPS with healing... OR anything but how dumb this topic is
PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD lol

why did you waste your time posting in here rather then just making your own thread to discuss the topics you want?