Please nerf Holy.

[Nullie]

I can't help, but think because whm have a skill you consider better, that it should be taken away. in fact lets take away everything from whm that makes them good just so you can feel like your class is best. Lets get rid of Repose. Scholars can't sleep therefor OP. Lets get rid of regen and medica 2. Scholars can't do it. Therefor, you guessed it. OP. Lets nerf medica cause it heals more than succor. OP. Nerf shroud. Aetherflow doesn't take away enmity. OP.

You are just being silly. Let classes have differences please. Instead of asking for a nerf, how about something else? Why not "Give us the ability to summon carbuncle." I would never try to take from you just to make me better.

[James1213]

Shadow flare is a defensive cd of sorts it puts a 20% slow on mobs so they hit a bit slower while damaging them

[Crescent_Dusk]

Holy is pretty much a Black Mage Flare that is spammable on Cleric Stance. Its damage is absolutely absurd. A Holy spamming WHM is the highest AoE burst damage in the game.

No WP speed run will use a Scholar. Ever.

To say that your tank can survive without healing for the 7.5 seconds of DoT setup and Bane, which has a target cap, is just laughable.

If Scholar DPS is so good as WHM claim, I'll dare you to grind with a SCH for a week and record it. Not only do you kill much slower than a WHM, but your DPS has serious ramp up.

And put that pipe down or whatever you're smoking if you think a fairy can soloheal a tank. That fairy at best hits Embrace for 600. It ain't keeping anybody up.

[Maku]

Holy is pretty much a Black Mage Flare that is spammable on Cleric Stance. Its damage is absolutely absurd. A Holy spamming WHM is the highest AoE burst damage in the game.

No WP speed run will use a Scholar. Ever.

To say that your tank can survive without healing for the 7.5 seconds of DoT setup and Bane, which has a target cap, is just laughable.

If Scholar DPS is so good as WHM claim, I'll dare you to grind with a SCH for a week and record it. Not only do you kill much slower than a WHM, but your DPS has serious ramp up.

And put that pipe down or whatever you're smoking if you think a fairy can soloheal a tank. That fairy at best hits Embrace for 600. It ain't keeping anybody up.

Sorry to disappoint you but in the realm of AK and Palace farming runs I don't even leave Cleric Stance as a SCH because my faerie can indeed solo cure the tank. (The exception of when doing palace runs and doing it AoE spam style which is seriously not all that much faster and substantially more dangerous.) If you are talking about Primals and Coil(have not done coil yet) Then you are probably correct even though I do have plenty of time to Cleric Stance and DoT up Titan's Heart but obviously that is with another healer as well.

For trash mob fights yes I will give you that WHM Holy is probably better than a SCH but on boss fights where my faerie can more than easily solo heal for the time it takes me to get my DoTs up I am going to bank on SCH being able to do more DPS. (And this is a lot of boss fights).

I have also done WP speed runs on SCH and been just fine and fast and all that good stuff. So again I am not sure where you are getting such a DEFINITE "AH HELLZ NO SCH" on that one.

[ApolloGenX]

If they aren't taking you as SCH, it's because they aren't taking YOU.

[Thunderz]

Holy is fine stop crying over it

WP best format i've seen was a SCH, WHM, BRD, PLD

l2p

[Crescent_Dusk]

Sorry to disappoint you but in the realm of AK and Palace farming runs I don't even leave Cleric Stance as a SCH because my faerie can indeed solo cure the tank. (The exception of when doing palace runs and doing it AoE spam style which is seriously not all that much faster and substantially more dangerous.) If you are talking about Primals and Coil(have not done coil yet) Then you are probably correct even though I do have plenty of time to Cleric Stance and DoT up Titan's Heart but obviously that is with another healer as well.

For trash mob fights yes I will give you that WHM Holy is probably better than a SCH but on boss fights where my faerie can more than easily solo heal for the time it takes me to get my DoTs up I am going to bank on SCH being able to do more DPS. (And this is a lot of boss fights).

I have also done WP speed runs on SCH and been just fine and fast and all that good stuff. So again I am not sure where you are getting such a DEFINITE "AH HELLZ NO SCH" on that one.

AoE speed runs are much faster. It's not dangerous at all if you have the AoE for it. Which Holy does. You only need like 2 Holy's for each big pull and alongside the BLM popping his AoE and a summoner Contagion Bane, the group of mobs is wiped out quickly.

[Nourah]

WHM holy is currently OP, I say this as a level 50 WHM. Try running 3 WHMs + 1 Tank in WP... Depending on your gear you can get down to 12-15min runs. Running 3 WHMs may seem absurd, but it is just as viable if not more so than 1 WHM and 2 aoe dpsers.

[Nullie]

WHM holy is currently OP, I say this as a level 50 WHM. Try running 3 WHMs + 1 Tank in WP... Depending on your gear you can get down to 12-15min runs. Running 3 WHMs may seem absurd, but it is just as viable if not more so than 1 WHM and 2 aoe dpsers.

No, it isn't. You know what makes it powerful? Cleric Stance. Do you know why it does? Because it swaps Mind for Int. I don't need to tell you that. Know why we have such high mind? Because of all this ilvl 70/90 gear. Have you ever tried to see how much Holy does without Cleric Stance on? What happens to white mages during cleric stance? We take a knock for healing potency. A good sacrifice don't ya think? We get Holy at level 45. Our first and --> only <--- aoe. Only have the option to use it from those levels+ which is 5 more to cap. The whole time we are forced to throw stones, blow winds and shoot a water gun at the enemy. Whm finally get something that is good and people have a problem with it cause it is something their choice class doesn't have. Never mind the fact that while fairys heal, they have the option to nuke better because there is something always able to heal. May be dumb as a rock, but it is still better than no healing at all. It isn't used that often during bosses because healers are busy healing and not nuking and people are complaining about trash mobs?

So if Holy is "nerfed" what happens to its base damage? Just how much should it be reduced to without making it only castable in cleric stance? Even if they substitute or take away the stun, it will still be powerful. Holy has always been a powerful spell in the final fantasy universe and one of my favorites next to Ultima. Why make it into something pathetic?

[Weltende]

Holy is great in TWP, AK, and a few similar instances that are the absolute fringe of endgame (that is actually being polite, probably) and it is pretty much only great when your group out-gears the instance by a large margin.

It also has some niche application during Turn 4, but that doesn't keep scholars from getting invited to that. Somehow I suspect that this fact wasn't a consideration when this thread was made, anyway.

If changing Holy makes people happy then that won't make doing my job any harder so, by all means, go for it. I'm just a bit puzzled as to why we have a ten page thread about this of all things rather than addressing the inability to stack adloquium, or the relative power of stacked regen effects, etc. I actually thought this thread was an elaborate ruse initially. Was I wrong?