[Dev1058] General Job Petetions and Discussion

[Cairdeas]

Silver,

The whole point of implementing the Job System was to bring Traditional FF Nostalgia and Role Specialization to the Armoury System.

Weapon Classes (Armoury System) Are weapons. Musketeer is a GUN user. Fencer is a Fencing Sword User. they are not Jobs.

Jobs are Role Specializations based on the Traditional FF Jobs. Ranger is a Ranged Specialization. Thief is a DD/Crowd Control Specialization. Paladin is a Tank Specialization. They are not Weapon Classes.

[sketch]

Maybe you don't have the ability to put yourself in the developers' shoes. Can you imagine trying to overhaul a combat system, while having the community naggering away in your ear with all sorts of redundant-ish suggestions that they didn't ask for?

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

Here are the jobs that are OBVIOUSLY going to come to the game: Fencer, Musketeer, Mystic (Summoner?), Arcanist (Bard?), Samurai, and Dragoon. Those are the combat jobs that are clearly going to be planned for the game at some point in the future. It's collaborated by DAT leaks and pre-existing NPCs (there are NPCs called Dragoons around the game, and they are Ishgardian in origin).

So that said, just save us the headaches and just not clutter up the forums with job suggestions. Just because Matsui announced that there will be a job system, doesn't mean he has no ideas on what jobs to implement. He already has a plan, and it's pretty much well along in development - if we're going to be making suggestions, make them with the mental note that they will NOT be implemented in this dev cycle unless it's already been planned by the dev team.

That is to say, Matsui has already decided on what jobs will be implemented in this first dev cycle. Any new suggestions will be ignored. The only chance a viable suggestion would get implemented, would be in the form of an expansion. So if you're going to make a suggestion, make it with the exception that you will never see it implemented for at least a year.

so wat ur saying that while there fixing the games probs they should ignore the comunity even thou they ignored them the first time with tanaka and got it horribly wrong?
and wat ur saying is also just speculation we have no idea if has a set ready or is still deciding

[Physic]

Maybe you don't have the ability to put yourself in the developers' shoes. Can you imagine trying to overhaul a combat system, while having the community naggering away in your ear with all sorts of redundant-ish suggestions that they didn't ask for?

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

Here are the jobs that are OBVIOUSLY going to come to the game: Fencer, Musketeer, Mystic (Summoner?), Arcanist (Bard?), Samurai, and Dragoon. Those are the combat jobs that are clearly going to be planned for the game at some point in the future. It's collaborated by DAT leaks and pre-existing NPCs (there are NPCs called Dragoons around the game, and they are Ishgardian in origin).

So that said, just save us the headaches and just not clutter up the forums with job suggestions. Just because Matsui announced that there will be a job system, doesn't mean he has no ideas on what jobs to implement. He already has a plan, and it's pretty much well along in development - if we're going to be making suggestions, make them with the mental note that they will NOT be implemented in this dev cycle unless it's already been planned by the dev team.

That is to say, Matsui has already decided on what jobs will be implemented in this first dev cycle. Any new suggestions will be ignored. The only chance a viable suggestion would get implemented, would be in the form of an expansion. So if you're going to make a suggestion, make it with the exception that you will never see it implemented for at least a year.

they are constantly developing, information does not hurt them, they can ignore it if they want, or use it, but if its not available thats not an option, also they are working in things long term, this may help them decide what jobs to do further down the road.
Your assuming a lot with mystic and arc, dont confuse jobs with classes, and going by what exists in the dats, doesnt make too much sense since this is a new system.

info is info, let the developers choose to use it or not, or what to do with it.

[Judge_Xero]

Maybe you don't have the ability to put yourself in the developers' shoes. Can you imagine trying to overhaul a combat system, while having the community naggering away in your ear with all sorts of redundant-ish suggestions that they didn't ask for?

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

Here are the jobs that are OBVIOUSLY going to come to the game: Fencer, Musketeer, Mystic (Summoner?), Arcanist (Bard?), Samurai, and Dragoon. Those are the combat jobs that are clearly going to be planned for the game at some point in the future. It's collaborated by DAT leaks and pre-existing NPCs (there are NPCs called Dragoons around the game, and they are Ishgardian in origin).

So that said, just save us the headaches and just not clutter up the forums with job suggestions. Just because Matsui announced that there will be a job system, doesn't mean he has no ideas on what jobs to implement. He already has a plan, and it's pretty much well along in development - if we're going to be making suggestions, make them with the mental note that they will NOT be implemented in this dev cycle unless it's already been planned by the dev team.

That is to say, Matsui has already decided on what jobs will be implemented in this first dev cycle. Any new suggestions will be ignored. The only chance a viable suggestion would get implemented, would be in the form of an expansion. So if you're going to make a suggestion, make it with the exception that you will never see it implemented for at least a year.

This will help prevent unnecessarily raised expectations that will lead to a massive disappointment when the new jobs are announced. Seriously, you people are like 13-year olds...

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[Nikita]

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

This is a discussion and suggestion board, if you don't want to see them, this really isn't the place for you. I think these ideas are reasonable and non-invasive to others and I honestly didn't expect the backlash I am seeing from you. If these idea's are not reasonable as you say, they simply won't be added.

[Onidemon]

Maybe you don't have the ability to put yourself in the developers' shoes. Can you imagine trying to overhaul a combat system, while having the community naggering away in your ear with all sorts of redundant-ish suggestions that they didn't ask for?

My point is this: If they aren't asking us for suggestions, don't give them suggestions that are pointless, redundant and a waste of oxygen.

Here are the jobs that are OBVIOUSLY going to come to the game: Fencer, Musketeer, Mystic (Summoner?), Arcanist (Bard?), Samurai, and Dragoon. Those are the combat jobs that are clearly going to be planned for the game at some point in the future. It's collaborated by DAT leaks and pre-existing NPCs (there are NPCs called Dragoons around the game, and they are Ishgardian in origin).

So that said, just save us the headaches and just not clutter up the forums with job suggestions. Just because Matsui announced that there will be a job system, doesn't mean he has no ideas on what jobs to implement. He already has a plan, and it's pretty much well along in development - if we're going to be making suggestions, make them with the mental note that they will NOT be implemented in this dev cycle unless it's already been planned by the dev team.

That is to say, Matsui has already decided on what jobs will be implemented in this first dev cycle. Any new suggestions will be ignored. The only chance a viable suggestion would get implemented, would be in the form of an expansion. So if you're going to make a suggestion, make it with the exception that you will never see it implemented for at least a year.

This will help prevent unnecessarily raised expectations that will lead to a massive disappointment when the new jobs are announced. Seriously, you people are like 13-year olds...

You know the devs don't spend their time reading the forums right? the community reps do and then report to them. Plus these forums are made for us more then it's made for them. The only annoyance as someone stated is you and the only troll around is you also. So if your not happy with a thread just don't read or post in it.

Either you post something constructive related to the thread or you go away and let people breath.

[Sorel]

Job Petition: Soldier

Because all Disciples of War are technically "warriors", and the name "Fighter" is just too generic a thing to call a Job that's supposed to be a specialization, I'd like to see the Soldier job return as the non-mystical, non-rogueish, purely physical-skills based Job that takes the place of Warrior/Fighter in FFXIV. Considering the coming conflict in Eorzea, there would be a need for them.

I see Soldier being more of a Job that can use the physical skills learned from many classes. In addition they would have the infamous "Break" set of skills from previous Final Fantasy games.

• Break Headgear (reduces targets headgear to 0 durability)
• Break Arm (prevents target from using weaponskills)
• Break Jaw (prevents target from casting spells)
• Break Leg (prevents target from moving)

Just to name a few.

[SilvertearRen]

the irony is.. i AM a developer. feedback like this is as valuable as gold.

and yes... devs will read this... they (we) love to know what's in the mind of those whom are 'noisy'.

Anyone on the internet can claim to be a developer. I've been "studying" game development, but I have not once created a game, even though I have loads of game design documents, half-finished, laying around.

Right now, what I was trying to say, is that the devs already have a game plan laid out. They're going to stick to it unless the circumstances call for a shift - do I need to conjure up an example of an MMORPG that tanked after a major overhaul because of incessant feedback that was not constructive nor helpful?

Star Wars Galaxies, NGE.

It just feels absurd to be clamoring all over the place for different jobs/classes for no reason other than the fact that Matsui announced a jobs system. I mean, come on.

Someone earlier mentioned that the classes I mentioned were classes, not jobs. That's true, but people need to understand that, like I said, the developers already have a plan in place and are in the process of implementing and testing it. This is the wrong time to be making suggestions for jobs, especially ones that would seem to only bloat the game with redundancy.

Soldier? Please. That's Gladiator, thank you very much.

Edit: One other reason for my trepidation is that we don't know EXACTLY how the Jobs system will function, so clamoring to make job suggestions is kind of shortsighted at this time until we understand how it works!

(That is to say, with actual hands-on knowledge of the system.)

[NeoEarth]

This will help prevent unnecessarily raised expectations that will lead to a massive disappointment when the new jobs are announced. Seriously, you people are like 13-year olds...

seriously?

this was what i was afraid of.... hence in my original post.. i said to stay on topic. sadly... i knew that this 'fun' would be met with sour social engineers.

[SilvertearRen]

Also, the reason why I'm even being like this? When I went to the General Discussion forum, I saw like... 10 or so "Job Petition" threads. It just drove me insane, and I ended up venting.

So, On topic: I wouldn't mind seeing a Summoner subjob for either Mystic, Conjurer, or Thaumaturge.

Though I have to wonder if it would be possible to be a Lancer/Summoner combo... :3 That would be interesting! Being able to actually fight alongside your summons instead of simply standing at a distance and burning your MP like it is in XI...